Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

A regional daily whose patch voted strongly for Brexit has marked the anniversary of the European Union referendum with a poll which revealed a majority of those surveyed would now choose to remain.

The Sunderland Echo splashed on the survey today, with 63pc of 3,1000 polled stating they would now elect to stay in the EU.

Nationally the most recent stats are:
46% remain
43% leave

Modest but widening gap.

BrandNewHouse labelling dissidents as ill has always been popular in some other rather similar regimes.

Too scared to attract the wrath of Bear.

Lol!

I do get a bit het up by comments on here sometimes!

I just get so frustrated with posters like flowerpots who go to great lengths to twist comments and detract from answering the only real question that matters which is- how are the benefits of Leaving going to counter the difficulties we know we are going to face by doing so?

Surely if this is such a fantastic idea, this isn't a difficult question?

I know a lot of Remainers who still talk about it. Mostly we work or worked in healthcare or scientific research and can see both being destroyed by May's interpretation of Brexit - so of course we have high levels of anger. Who wouldn't if they saw twenty years of work going down the drain, because of a spat in the Tory party with a populace egged on by Fascist Farage?

Farage won't be around to help you pick up the pieces, don't kid yourself of that. Nor will May, Johnson, Gove, Fox, Davis, Redwood, Lilley and all the other sorry crew.

I have friends who are preparing to move abroad after one of them was told to "f* off back home" by a man on a bus recently. Husband is English and was previously opposed to leaving the uk but has now agreed to do so as he doesn't want his wife and kids to grow up under a cloud of xenophobia.

I find that pretty hard to ignore, personally .

So your a bit upset that any leaver had the temerity to call out the absolute outrage and bile we leavers have received for the last 15 months - poor you New house!! Self indulgent nonsense and patronising is it? - you know nothing.
Just in the last few remain posts I can add Traitor, fascist, Nazi and patronising to the long list of vile adjectives used by many on these threads to describe leavers. It is simply ridiculous.

I applaud Flowerpot in her asking Bear who she/he writes in such a manner and expects us to give to answer in a cordial way, why on earth would anyone really want to engage with this type of questioning?

I find that pretty hard to ignore, personally

But I can't understand why you're being so gloomy and angry and feeding these bad emotions - absolutely nothing negative has happened to anybody as we soar towards the Sunlit Uplands!

Look! See how genuinely concerned these fine Leavers are for your emotional state? Are you sure you're feeling quite well? Please work through your entirely unjustified grieving process, then we can all get on with it, y'know, pulling together with positive energy to Make Brexit A Success!

Presumably you don't know anyone in Sunderland which is now 60% remain.
Or Wales which is majority remain now?

Have they re-balloted in those areas?
I missed that - when did that happen?

It is part of the determined policy of non-engagement by leavers.

The leavers on MN stopped engaging ages ago because of the melodrama.

You hear that Bolshy? People being told to f**k off back home is melodrama.

Just in the last few remain posts I can add Traitor, fascist, Nazi and patronising to the long list of vile adjectives used by many on these threads to describe leavers. It is simply ridiculous.

Are we reading the same thread?

Someone called Nigel Farage a fascist, that's not remotely like calling all leavers fascists.
I've read a lot of posts about the real impact Brexit is already having on people's lives - and we haven't even left yet. But no leavers seem to want to acknowledge this is happening to people. There is a distinct lack of empathy. It's most odd.

Absolutely, melodrama Faith - that's what it's like all the time on these threads. They read some article written by some journalist and quote it as if the end is nigh and it is all gospel! Well guess what, it's just someone random's opinion no more than that.

I've gone back through the thread now and also don't see the problem calling Jo Cox's murderer and other members of ultra right groups (like those in court today) traitors.

I am actually very taken aback that any leavers would perceive an attack on these scumbags as an attack on leavers

My il's voted leave and have told us they now wish they hadn't. Dh was told his job (banking) would be moved to ROI if leave campaign was a success. IL's insisted this was just 'bravado' and his work pushing their own campaign. Dh now works in ROI mon-fri and understandably now has less time for his parents as he wants to spend weekends with dc's.

Apparently if they'd known that they wouldn't have done it (not that it's their fault!).

Iapplaud Flowerpot in her asking Bear who she/he writes in such a manner and expects us to give to answer in a cordial way, why on earth would anyone really want to engage with this type of questioning?

The trouble is corcory, you can applaud it all you like, but everyone knows it's just waffle to detract from the fact there are no tangible upsides to leaving that counter the problems we are facing.

Agree Corcory, far too much hysteria.
Too much like hard work to remain at those levels of het up for such an extended period imo.

I am actually very taken aback that any leavers would perceive an attack on these scumbags as an attack on leavers

Ah, but that's NOT melodrama. That's, like, totally real brutality. Serious oppression.

Again, I note that PP saying that their friends were told to F**k off home is either being ignored, or dismissed as hysteria.

It gets ignored because there's nothing that can be said that would sate your outrage.

It's terrible, shit & appalling that people can treat & speak to other people in that way.

That's presumably a given position for any reasonable person, surely? Regardless of their political leanings or Brexit vote.

It gets ignored because there's nothing that can be said that would sate your outrage.

Actually, if anybody of any leaning said, in the first place, that it was terrible, I imagine that would have been of comfort to the PP whose friend was so abused. Not because of trying to sate your perceived enemies' outrage, but because it was terrible and it would have been the decent thing to say so in the first place.

But instead, the first instinct was to ignore. While at the same time finding time and energy to type about melodrama, hysteria, and the oppression of Leave voters.

And still your outrage continues.
Sigh.^^

That's, like, totally real brutality

Testimony is priceless, and those who are telling these real brutalities are heroes.

Testimony forms history which will inform learning.

After this is all over, it's this evidence which will be used to make sure this never ever happens again.

No one believed the holocaust was happening at the time, or for a while afterwards.

White supremacists in south Africa may have not all been aware of what was being done in their name during apartheid.

But apartheid was defeated, and the truth came out.

Thanks for posting elements

There are two different conversations going on here. I was referring to New houses post. That doesn't mean I am all for people being told to 'go home' quite the contrary.

The point I was making that seems to have been lost on many of you is that the Brexit threads have started having loads about fascists and Nazis on them, the suggestion that we are heading for a fascist state and that the recent bill has a resemblance to the Enabling Act in Germany in 1933 is not lost on me. The idea that there in an extreme right wing to the conservative party that has some ulterior motive to turn the UK into a fascist state seems quite popular with remain posters on these treads. NF has nothing to do with the government he is not and never was the 'leader of the leave' campaign. Want he is up to will have no impact on Brexit he is not in power but he is forever being mentioned. So why bring up any of these things if they have nothing at all to do with the leave voters, seems to me many of you are constantly trying to tar us all with the same brush.

I distinctly remember a, not insignificant number, of Leavers on this board saying NF should be knighted.

If you don't want to be tarred with that brush then disassociate yourself from those type of people.