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Westminstenders: The wrong homework

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HashiAsLarry · 31/08/2017 21:49

I'm no rtb but I'll give it a shot, though her efforts deserve much more than me.

The August negotiation round has, well, fizzled out in much the same way as any other. It's taken over a year to get to written position papers and there's still no clue as to a direction from the UK government.

Japan, meanwhile, is about to sign off on a deal with the EU. A deal we want to copy.

@faisalislam
^but if post brexit britain's trade deal with third biggest economy in world is to be based on Brussels' deal, what about rest? TTIP? Canada?
...when PM signs off statements like this on primacy of EU-third party deals, one wonders how temporary the temporary customs union will be^

The NHS is now launching a drive to recruit foreign GPs, like the ones that have left thanks to Brexit. It's a good job they'll be £350m a week better off now. Oh hang on...

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:27

How do you think deselecting Amber Rudd in Hastings in favour of a pro-Brexit candidate will improve the chances of a Conservative victory at the next election?

I'm curious.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:36

Adam Bienkov‏ @AdamBienkov
Tory MP Peter Bone to present a bill later which would make the date of the EU referendum a bank holiday.

If nothing else works, making the EU referendum day an extra bank holiday will convince us that Brexit was a good idea.

Remember that time when Labour suggested more bank holidays for the patron saints days and was accused of trying to bribing the electorate and the idea being cynical and just generally a cheap trick?

When was that?

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:38

Matthew Holehouse‏*@mattholehouse*

Missed this from Japan trip last week. UK agreed to lobby EU to lift import restrictions on food from Fukushima

Brexit = Food from Fukushima.

Yes. Really.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:44

Anyway, David Davies is now talking in the Commons.

TheElementsSong · 05/09/2017 16:45

Brexit = Food from Fukushima.

So that warm incandescent glow we'll be feeling post-Brexit won't be of sovereignty and control? Grin

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:46

Its started well...

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
David Davis up in the Commons for Brexit questions

"We made important progress..." Labour benches start laughing.

SwedishEdith · 05/09/2017 16:49

Tory MP Peter Bone to present a bill later which would make the date of the EU referendum a bank holiday.

What, a national day of mourning? What a complete dickhead.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:49

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
DD says UK nationals in EU will get no voting rights, but UK is wants to grant municipal voting rights to EU citizens in UK.
Message obviously is that British offer on EU citizens is more generous and comprehensive.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:54

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
On divorce bill: "UK has duty to our tax payers to interrogate that [EU] position... line by line."

Says UK & EU have very different legal opinions on it. "There are significant differences to be bridged in this sector." Can say that again.

Hope they are getting better legal advice than they did last year.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 16:55

Kevin Schofield‏*@PolhomeEditor*
David Davis: "Nobody pretended this would be simple or easy." Pretty sure that's not true. #brexit

HashiAsLarry · 05/09/2017 17:00

UK has duty to our tax payers to interrogate that [EU] position... line by line
You know, that's sort of true. Shame they weren't thinking of the uk or it's taxpayers when they agreed to sort it prior to trade talks. It's almost like they can't quite get to grips with what they want.

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Knope2020 · 05/09/2017 17:00

Erm...wasnt it him that said it would be easy?
Or am I imagining it??

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:04

Ian Dunt‏ @IanDunt
Starmer up now. Says he accepts it is complex and that some first sequence talks can only be handled in second sequence, like Irish border.
KS: "No-deal, which I had thought had died a death... could rise from the ashes." Someone on Tory benches shouts: "Great."
KS: "Fantasy to think you can have deep and comprehensive trade deal without shared institutions." Might as well teach DD the times table.
KS now having good time highlighting quotes from ministers showing they did think it was easy.
KS. On 16 Aug you put 'track and trace' customs idea forward. Removed on 1st Sept as "blue skies thinking".
KS: Does DD accept it;s time to drop some of PM's flawed red lines so UK can genuinely be flexible?

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
Starmer: "PM's flawed red lines will bedevil the rest of negotiations. Can't have deep and special partnership without shared institutions"

Ian Dunt‏**@IanDunt**
DD now back on his feet, trying to look head-masterly. Looks more like a schoolboy who has been found out.

Today really does feel like the first day back in school, when you wish that it was the middle of summer again.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:06

Knope its what EVERY leading Brexiteer said.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:07

an Dunt‏ @IanDunt
DD: "Does Labour party want to pay 100bn euros to get progress? Eh? Eh? I hope the answer is no."
"We are going to do this the proper way." Unimaginable levels of hypocrisy here.
DD: "Blue skies thinking is not to rubbish something. It's to say it's a very imaginative way forward". Commons falls about laughing.

Knope2020 · 05/09/2017 17:08

Good I'm not going mad red
wish I could say the same for brexiters

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:08

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Starmer "we are obviously reaching stage of negotiations where fantasy meets brutal reality -too many Brexit promises made that cant be met"

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:12

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*

"Concerns of devolved administrations taken on board", DD says. Except of course that he has ignored them completely.

God I've missed being schooled in nonsense by the class idiot.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:18

Ian Dunt‏ @IanDunt ^
IDS says agreement with EU must come before transition deal. This is common error. It supposes transition is actually about transition.^
It isn't. It is an extension of the negotiation window.
Hilary Benn points this out - no time in Article 50 window for talks.
Why won't DD recognise that only way now to provide stability is to say we'll stay in current arrangements for transition
DD genuinely suggesting we can get "trade outcome" within A50 window. He is now making variation on car manufacturers argument.
Bill Cash, like a living waxwork, accuses Labour of going from "Remainers to Reversers".

Davies said no one said Brexit would be easy and simple then says Brexit would be easy and simple.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:19

Dan Bloom‏*@danbloom1*
"Nobody pretended this would be simple or easy," Brexit Secretary David Davis just told the House of Commons.

cough

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:24

No one said Brexit would be easy...

(Somehow I think this will be an ongoing series)

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:26

Ian Dunt‏**@IanDunt**
Future Tory leader Jacob Rees Mogg said something but I couldn't be bothered to listen.

He opened his mouth and noise came out but he didn't say anything.

Ian Dunt‏ @IanDunt
DD proudly says Commission was given two and a half hour briefing from British team on why divorce payment requirements legally flawed.
Fuck me, he's still going on about legal argument. It is irrelevant. Which court will you take it to? When will you do it?
Taking legal arguments to a political negotiation is like taking a pencil to a gunfight.

It'd be the ECJ wouldn't it....

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:31

Ian Dunt‏ @IanDunt

MPs' questions seem much more sophisticated than they were last year.

Adam Bienkov‏*@AdamBienkov*

"No-one has ever pretended that [Brexit] would be simple or easy," David Davis tells MPs. Here's what Davis wrote just last year.

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2017 17:33

Ian Dunt‏ @IanDunt
David Jones, like an extra in the Addams Family, says A50 specifically mentions future relations so Barnier refusal is against that treaty.
Anyway, he's wrong. the language is sufficiently loose for Barnier to do what he likes. DD, laughably, says he knows but they signed up "in order to get EU citizens rights under way". Yes, David, it was because of your empathy for EU citizens.
Same empathy that led you to refuse to guarantee their rights before negotiation

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