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So.....how are we all?

None of the things you are blaming on it are!

Which undermines your arguments for leaving, utterly.

House building and the rate of it are national government decisions. Selling off social housing and not letting councils use the money to replace it? National goverment decisions.

Its amazing how many things blamed on the EU are not actually anything to do with the EU.

No one has said the EU is without fault- only that the things you are blaming it for are utter nonsense and the responsibility for those things lies squarely at the feet of the government who are going to even less inclined to resolve those issues now due to the wasted time and money in administering Brexit.

If Brexit is successful, I will be more than happy to admit that I was wrong. I want to be proved wrong for the sake of my children- that would give me much more satisfaction than being able to say 'I told you so'.
To the Brexiters, is there anything that would make you think again e.g. The economy falling off a cliff and taking 50 years to recover or is leaving the EU literally worth any cost to you, your children,your grandchildren?

Something you might like to think about..
The largest number ever votes ever on a subject was the leave vote.
Majority rules.

Ah the tyrany of the majority.

As was previously said, if Brexiteers had been honest about the risks of brexit and the complexity, the leave vote wouldn't have won.

Oh and the majority voted in the last referendum to remain, a far bigger majority, didn't stop your side from debating, criticising, and complaining.

So no, majoirty doesn't rule, democracy allows to keep challening, remember democracy, that thing that leavers claim they love so much.

If you are as old as you say, then you had a council house should you have needed it, you could have bought it had you wanted. Or you bought a house and it has risen in price, something our youngster don't have.
Your job was enough to let your wife stay home and look after the children, or go out too work had she wished. Times are hard now, I know of people on benefits who can't afford to eat, live in a B&B and dream of the life you had.
If the EU is so great how come this happened?
What the actual fuck are you on, Mummy? It must be strong stuff. My parents' generation may have earned enough for one person to work and one to stay at home (in the 'you never had it so good 1950s/60s), but mortgage interest rates were around 15% in 1980, when I was in my 20s, so if you think this was manageable on one person's income you need your bumps read.
Fact: I have never had a council house in my life. Do you really believe council houses were dished out to all and sundry just because they wanted one? You are incredibly naive, if so.
I refuse to go into more ins and outs of my personal circumstances just to disprove your argument, but can tell you that you are talking (down) to someone who lived in a hostel following an acrimonious divorce, so you can fuck right off with 'you had it so comfortable' shtick.
Do you always look at life in overly simplistic terms? Is your world view really so narrow?

Now the kids can't afford to have their own children, every penny goes in rent, no chance to holiday and they have no hours contracts and have to keep a months wages in case they get shafted by work.
But in your world that is a dream and isn't happening.

You really are something. You have said several times that Brexit will make us poorer, but now you're going on about how bad things are for young people now. You have voted to make these people's lives even more uncertain/poorer. You are really trying to plug the 'remainer = wealthy elite; leaver = for the people' bullshit, aren't you?
You might think it's fine to be poorer for a while. I have to assume from your outpourings on here that you would find that manageable. Have you stopped to consider how people with no safety net will be affected, though?
The plight of young people (and not so young) is entirely down to the policies of successive UK governments and their skewed ideology. It has the square root of fuck all to do with the EU.

"do you always look at life in overly simplistic terms? Is your world view really so narrow"

I think the answer to both of those is yes.

Your the one doing the poor me, I might lose my job, you said that not me.
You got a divorce so what your not the only one, more poor me.
All you want is to say how hard done by you are because the vote isn't what you wanted, funny how it's still all about you.
Leaving is the best thing I ever did for my children, and about 17 million more think so as well.
You do know 70% now just want us to be out, and don't want us to try to fudge a way to stay. Fudge was a remainers idea by the way not mine.

bathildabagshot1 so sad that my simple views are the ones that got us out of the EU.
Told you again and again the reasons, but they might be to simple for your rich tastes.

Mummmy, I have been on here for 8 years and I have never had a post deleted but just fuck the fuck off and stick your MENSA membership up your fucking arse.

mrshoolies you took the word right out of my mouth (fingers)

I find mummys narrow, bigoted views abhorrent.

When all you have left to do is swear, you should hang your head in shame....

Your the one doing the poor me, I might lose my job, you said that not me.
Where did I say 'poor me'? Oh that's right. You made that up. I made a statement of fact: purely because of Brexit, I am in danger of redundancy. Have I asked you to feel sorry for me? No. Will I 'come together' with you? Fuck no.
You got a divorce so what your not the only one, more poor me.
Again. More unpleasantness, or just stupidity? You were the one bleating on about people living in B&Bs. I told you (god knows why) that I had also lived in a hostel following a divorce as a counter to your assertion that people "dream of the life" I had.

funny how it's still all about you.
You couldn't be further from the truth there. It's about my DC, my colleagues and friends.
You are really, very unpleasant, aren't you?

No its not simple reasons you are offering, but ones that are incorrect, inacurate, and as such aren't valid.

You blame the EU for the housing crisis, not the EU's isssue.

You blame the EU for the UK's inability to train enough people for certain industries, again not the EU's issue.

Leaving is the best thing I ever did for my children.

Well, do tell us then how this 'best thing' will manifest itself. I'm not holding my breath for your answer, having seen this question repeatedly met with a load of meaningless waffle for over a year now.

I find mummys narrow, bigoted views abhorrent.
You're not alone there.

"Leaving is the best thing I ever did for my children."

Don't make me laugh.

Why am I a Bigot for saying Brexit will happen.

2 parents low income, they bought a house, feed us and we muddle through, mum stayed at home. live the life of a poor child.

Split up from childrens father, what do they say just about managing. robbing peter to pay paul, and this last few years it has got more and more tight.

Simple view, it's bad, has been for a while, Brexit was not a result of a big red bus, but a view that out of the EU we can and will improve our childrens lifes.
Swear at me, call me simple I really can laugh at you, as your narrow little world is changing, welcome to the world.

Yes but the EU has nothing to do with those ocietal and economic changes.

You have said nothing to do with the EU which could possibly improve your children's lives, and actually admitted there may be costs.

You are not a bigot for saying Brexit will happen, rather for your views that all the ills in the country are the fault of foreigners.

Anyway, you're now just being deliberately provactive.

ills in the country are the fault of foreigners.
Hey your reading that into this not me.

Yes there may be cost, but why is it wrong to feel that what we have now isn't working. That the price we are asked to pay is too high, that if the UK had continued and the EU banking had failed we would have been made to pay more because our economy was working.
The cuts to welfare and hospitals are due to us not having enough money to fund without borrowing, yet in 2014 we were asked for nearly 2 Billion more so the EU could give a refund to France and others, who weren't doing as well.
I voted out once I realized that when we are successful, we should be able to have the fruits of our labour instead of being mugged .
This isn't a Common trading union, it's much more than we ever voted for.

Greece in Trouble,
Italy in Trouble
Spain in Trouble.
France in Trouble
Portugal in Trouble
If the EU is so great why aren't all this countries flying high?
If the EU is there to help them why is all they get told your spending too much try Austerity.

Spain isn't in trouble, it has larger growth than the UK.

France isn't in trouble.

Italy has had good economic growth this year and the possibility of bank crashes have fallen.

Portugal has recovered.

In 2014 we paid more in contributions because of a change in the way the calculations were done, guess who suggested the changes? That's right us!

France is a net contributor too and was in 2014.

The UK was exempt for contributing to bailouts for EU countries.

Facts dear heart, facts you really aren't doing well here.

mummmy, I'd just leave them to it now.

This is what they do, blow the whistle, assemble the clique & gang up on one poster - nasty bullies one & all.