The Brexit Arms. All welcome.

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So.....how are we all?

*Immigration, not immigrant

Good at least one brexiteer admits it.

So what is your issue with immigration?

I really do hope that Training is one thing that can be changed in this country, What is the point of making someone who is good with their hands slog away at written work. The Red Tape has all arrived since we joined the EU, I mean in regards to training, why can't young adults be allowed to do things and common sense rather than a tick for a list of rules be allowed.
The Government can claim land if it's needed for transport, so why can't they take land off building firms if not used for X amount of years, if it's used for building training schemes, these kids deserve a better life and the training required for them to excel in the area's that suits their personal style. The profit incentive could be how many hours they put into a profit, and if the cost of the land and goods is take out of the profit this would be self financing for each project.

Mummy
Crying over spilled milk means nothing happens, going and buying more milk means you can have a coffee.
What a trite and disappointing answer.
Better to make the best of what is in front of you and seize your chance to change when it arrives.
Ditto. Trite and disappointing, but not unexpected from you. I am six years off retirement age. How do you propose I make my future better, given that I'm facing redundancy? At my age, do you think it will be easy for me to find a job in the current climate of uncertainty? I have 'seized' the chance of applying for an Irish passport in order to try to retain my right to FOM. It is quite literally the only thing I can think of doing, despite the fact it means leaving family and friends. So, thanks a fucking lot for disrupting my life when you yourself admit it's going to be shit for several years.
Your banal responses to me smack of Tebbit's "get on your bikes" comment.

We WILL get some of our quota back because the EU didn't take ownership of it, it was added along with all the other countires to be used by the collective group know as the EU.

Depends how and when those quotas were agreed - beef quotas were negotiated by the EC as part of the GATT agreements in 1979 for instance.

The following by Peter Ungphakorn (ex-WTO) is a good explanation of the complexity of quotas:

tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/hilton-beef-quota/

Personally I think that if we stay in EU and continue on the path we're on we will end up as a horrible country. We already now have slavery, FGM and Islamic terrorism. Next we'll have shanty towns because we've run out of housing, street children hanging about outside railway stations and private security firms (death squads) employed by retailers to chase away the street children. Ruled over by a wealthy white elite travelling the world from gated community to gated community. Basically a country rather like Brazil if we're very lucky.

Such hyperbole. And I thought the Remain camp were the 'project fear' guys. You do realise that we're already ruled over by a wealthy white elite in this country? And WTF the fuck have FGM and Islamic terrorism got to do with the EU?

"The Red Tape has all arrived since we joined the EU, "

No it really hasn't.

Training is a national goverment decision, as is the vast majority of health and saftey laws.

Your point about the land is again a national government decision.

Its baffling that almost every point leavers make actually comes back to national goverment decisions.

Bearbehind
Is a fall back. If the worse happens and we get no deal we CAN USE WTO.
CAN as in we are already members that we have the right to do this.
Will be able to trade without disruption, from the Head of the WTO.
EU HAVE to hand back our part of the Quota, as it BELONGS to us.
Yes we need to negotiate the amount but you do know the WTO will tell them they can't keep it.

All this is a just in case .
The single market is for the EU, why do we have to pay them to stay in a club we are leaving.
We are also still members of the Commonwealth.
We do have other trade partners than the EU, and at what point in all this do you thing we will STOP trading with the EU.

The Red Tape has all arrived since we joined the EU, I mean in regards to training, why can't young adults be allowed to do things and common sense rather than a tick for a list of rules be allowed.

Like The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999, which makes employers consider the increased risks to young people because of their lack of experience, unawareness of potential risks and/or lack of maturity?

Gosh Mummy has gone all Brexiter with her capitals.

The EU doesn't hand back anything from a quota, it keeps the same terms of trade. We have to negotiate our terms, these are called schedules, each WTO nation has their own.

We will be allowed to trade without disruption if we keep to the same terms as the EU already has, if we wish to change them, then there might be disruption.

Yes we have more trade partners than the EU, but the EU is by far the largest trading partner. The USA with 15%, the EU is something like 45%, so more than treble that of our second largest partner.

My point has nothing to do with the EU and leaving.
This is a desire for the Government to deal with a lack of training for trades.

twofingerstoEverything
What else do we expect for a remainer, it's not fair, I can't I won't I don't.
If you are as old as you say, then you had a council house should you have needed it, you could have bought it had you wanted. Or you bought a house and it has risen in price, something our youngster don't have.
Your job was enough to let your wife stay home and look after the children, or go out too work had she wished. Times are hard now, I know of people on benefits who can't afford to eat, live in a B&B and dream of the life you had.
If the EU is so great how come this happened?

We have far lower levels of poverty than we did before 1973.

Your post is copied and pasted from a brexiteer meme, it was wrong then, its wrong now.
The EU is not responsible for any of the things you mention.

Oh dear, have I upset you.
Then how come a man's wages can't keep a family?
Copied nope, what I think.

A man's wages could keep a family, just you wouldn't now want to life the lifestyle my Grandparents did on my DGF's miner wage.

Holiday was a week in Blackpool.
No car.
Pretty basic clothing, buying new shoes was a once a year, if you were lucky event.
The food was good, but much of it deep fried and padded out with lots of carbs.

There are many reasons for wages not going as far, especially because housing costs far more on average. But again, national policy decisions, nothing to do with the EU.

Sorry that you don't seem to get that.

Oh and prior to 1979 42% of Britons lived in council houses.

Now its about 7%.

TBH mummy the bollocks you've just posted about red tape and training being the fault of the EU proves you're a fully fledged member of the 'everything wrong in the country is the fault of the EU' club.

It's totally pointless arguing against such deluded thinking.

Oh I get the wages thing, rather personally at this point in time.
30 years ago a manswages was enough to buy and run the house and have money left for a holiday, and 3 kids,
Now the kids can't afford to have their own children, every penny goes in rent, no chance to holiday and they have no hours contracts and have to keep a months wages in case they get shafted by work.
But in your world that is a dream and isn't happening.

But it isn't anything to do with the EU.

Either the EU is the GOLDEN LAND, or you have to admit that life is hard right now, and was before David offered the Referendum,
The fact life was hard would make some people vote for change, as they did in the tide that allowed Tony Blair to flourish. This will always happen, and is happening in the EU right now. This is normal, it will happen many times you just have to accept you called it wrong.

Yes it is, we seem to send money when ever told to by the EU.
Can you not admit we have sent loads and loads of cash to the EU.
Money that flows out of the UK and never returns.
This money is sent to the poorer members of the EU who are now upset that the gap in the Budget means their windfalls will be cut.

For every £1 spent on the EU £10 comes back in trade and other benefits ( Source CBI).

Life right now is hard, but it isn't because of the EU, the land of milk and honey promised to the poor saps who voted to leave will never happen, and their lives will get worse because of their vote. No risks to leaving were ever admitted.

BTW the UK net contribution is about 7bn, and accounts for about 5% of the EU budget. I'm fairly sure it won't make that much of a difference to them.

^Oh and prior to 1979 42% of Britons lived in council houses.

Now its about 7%.^

The salient point is that the social rented sector is being replaced by the insecure exploitative private sector over time. Rates of home owner occupation are only marginally higher than they were in 1980. The other relevant factor is that in the 70s and 80s pensioners were more likely to rent with younger people buying. The profile of home ownership has now reversed. In addition a high percentage of private sector landlords are already retired or are using their rental property as a pension vehicle.

visual.ons.gov.uk/housing-census/

visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-perspectives-2016-housing-and-home-ownership-in-the-uk/

And I am fairly sure it will.
Or have you not see the reports of Germany not wanting to have to pay to fill the gap.

Its True howabout, however the issues to do with housing are national policy, not EU policy.

Its amazing that Brexiteers blame the EU for things that it doesn't control, but also complain about lack of sovereignty.

and it's amazing how you say nothing is the fault of the EU.