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surferjet · 30/07/2017 21:06

So.....how are we all?
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lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 16:17

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39855287

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 16:20

My argument was nothing of the sort, it was you that sought to conflate refugIees with terroism.

FOM and slavery. We are not part of schengen anyone coming into the country must show their passport at border control. FOM and slavery are two different matters because those traficking humans do not show their passports at border control, nor do they bring those being traficked in that way.

Simple minds eh.

mummmy2017 · 16/08/2017 16:21

My understanding is we need to agree with the EU countries what we keep as it results in a reduction in their overall quota.

So you don't think any of it is what we added to their quota when we joined, maybe we never traded before we joined the EU, so we won't get any BACK.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 16:23

Really so how so do Slovakian and Romanian sex slaves get into the country then ?.

mummmy2017 · 16/08/2017 16:23

So all the Illegals show their passports as well...
so which idiot isn't telling them to turn round and not come in.

Bearbehind · 16/08/2017 16:23

Yet again you are spectacularly missing the point in your arrogance over how much control we have here mummy

We don't just get to walk away with what we broughT to the table or what we feel we should have- it needs to be NEGOTIATED

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/08/2017 16:24

*FOM and slavery. We are not part of schengen anyone coming into the country must show their passport at border control. FOM and slavery are two different matters because those traficking humans do not show their passports at border control, nor do they bring those being traficked in that way.

Simple minds eh.*

The people being trafficked usually have passports though, held by their traffickers - what with them being from European countries.

Simple minds eh.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 16:27

That's one case, and not really indicative of how the majority of traficked humans arrive in the UK.

If you think human traficking is going to stop when we leave the EU you're in for a shock.

Please tell me how mass immigration has negatively effected the UK?

mummmy2017 · 16/08/2017 16:27

Also there are masses of stories about sex slaves coming into this country and showing their passports as per Sarah on Corrie, thinking they are with loved ones or have a job lined up.
Only to have them take off them and forced into slavery to pay off the cost of travel, the cost of housing clothing and other things, till their debt grows so they can never pay it off.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/08/2017 16:30

That's one case, and not really indicative of how the majority of traficked humans arrive in the UK.

It really is indicative of how the majority arrive in the UK though.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 16:31

I think our masters decided in the 1960's that their people were acting as though the government owed them one and were making unreasonable demands. Mass immigration was used to create a labour surplus and weaken the trade unions and divide the working class. Its worked out pretty well as we can see.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 16:35

Who did you do a masters with? The Early learning centre?

Because almost every study on the impact of immigration shows very low impact on the wages of the lowest earners, but only in areas where there is very high levels of immigration, and no impact on the unemployment of domestic nationals.

The impact of Thatcher's reforms were what did for trade unions, and the fact that the trade unions refused in the 60's to adopt many of the points from "In place of Strife".

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/08/2017 16:39

Who did you do a masters with? The Early learning centre?

Ever the charmer.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 16:41

bathilda, you are correct however would you agree or disagree with my point that mass immigration was imposed on the British people with out any democratic mandate.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 16:47

"Because almost every study on the impact of immigration shows very low impact on the wages of the lowest earners, but only in areas where there is very high levels of immigration".
Soon more and more parts of the country will be area's with very high levels if immigration continues at current levels. Employers and governments are using immigration as a substitute for training British young people which will also have a downward push or wages. Why train a British 18 year old when you can hire a fully skilled 25 year old worker from Eastern Europe.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 16:51

I would disagree with the term mass immigration.

Only 14% of the population are immigrants.

The UK repeatedly elected governments that were Pro EU and said so in their manifestos. There have been many anti immigration parties and movements right back to the 40s/50s but none of them ever got into power, so yes the British people did give it a democratic mandate.

Faith, well if you will talk about doing a masters, and then state something which is repeatedly disproved at academic level, and tbh sounds a bit like a illuminati conspiracy theory, then hey, I'm going to question where you did it.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 16:54

"Soon more and more parts of the country will be area's with very high levels if immigration continues at current levels.

No it won't and non EU immigration, which is more heavily controlled, is higher than EU immigration. Immigration from the EU won't stop, it might fall because people feel unwelcome.

"Employers and governments are using immigration as a substitute for training British young people which will also have a downward push or wages"

Rubbish, we have had skills shortages in the UK for decades, well before FOM.

mummmy2017 · 16/08/2017 16:59

Bearbehind do you ever read behind what is written.

Do you understand that your attitude is a joke, that your need to be right means you fail to see the meaning of a statement.
We WILL get some of our quota back because the EU didn't take ownership of it, it was added along with all the other countires to be used by the collective group know as the EU. Yes of course we have to work that out, only an idiot would imply anything different, and to argue when I has already said NEED TO AGREE.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 17:04

"Only 14% of the population are immigrants". what was it ten years ago and what do you think it will be 10 years from now. In 1997 net migration was 48,000 now its about 300,000.

The Uk has never elected a party which has promised to increase immigration however it has repeatedly elected parties which promised to reduce it.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 17:08

But its never voted for a party which promised to ban it.

in 2001 the foriegn born population was about 9%. So it has increased by about 0.3% per year. Wow swamped.

Immigration doesn't have a signficant effect on the wagest of the lowest paid, it does increase the wages of the middle and highest paid.

It doesn't cause weaker public services

EU immigrants are as a group net contributors to the treasury.

But I just love being proved right, it was all about immigration.

mummmy2017 · 16/08/2017 17:11

Rubbish, we have had skills shortages in the UK for decades, well before FOM..
This is true.
We need more Doctors, Nurses, Dentist, Well really just more people trained, if we offer more places and training, then we could fill more posts use less locums and save money.
In house training is fine, but paying £30 a week to young adults, now that is very wrong. I always wondered why we can't use house building schemes with the youngster building a house learning on the job, and being offered a percentage of the profits upon sale. with older unemployed tradesmen being bought back into the jobs market to help train them cheaper than a teacher. This way plumbers, electricians, plasterers roofers and all the other trades could be passed on the way it used to happen, and the house building in the UK would increase as the Government want.
Also if they built homes villages with all the amenities for our aging population it would free up bigger houses for the families.

bathildabagshot1 · 16/08/2017 17:16

We could do all of these things, if we wanted to, in or out of the EU. The fact is that it has nothing to do with the EU or immigration.

The Goverment have cut funding to FE places so less BTEC/Appreticeshisps are available. Apprentices cause sole trader firms lots of problems because of the red tape ( what you can and cannot do before 18) and the fact that the subsidy for them is quite low.

House builders operate to profit maximise so they land bank to keep the price of land high.

We have a culture in the UK where young people are made responsible to pay for their own training/education for the jobs market.

All decisions made at national level, all to do with the UK, not the EU or immigration.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 16/08/2017 17:16

For me personally yes it was about immigration. I'm sure other people voted the way they did for other reasons.

Personally I think that if we stay in EU and continue on the path we're on we will end up as a horrible country. We already now have slavery, FGM and Islamic terrorism. Next we'll have shanty towns because we've run out of housing, street children hanging about outside railway stations and private security firms (death squads) employed by retailers to chase away the street children. Ruled over by a wealthy white elite travelling the world from gated community to gated community. Basically a country rather like Brazil if we're very lucky.

Bearbehind · 16/08/2017 17:25

Bearbehind do you ever read behind what is written.

Do you understand that your attitude is a joke, that your need to be right means you fail to see the meaning of a statement.
We WILL get some of our quota back because the EU didn't take ownership of it, it was added along with all the other countires to be used by the collective group know as the EU. Yes of course we have to work that out, only an idiot would imply anything different, and to argue when I has already said NEED TO AGREE.

Wind your neck in love Hmm

I don't need to be proved right. In fact I'd be happy for you to prove my fears are unfounded.

The fact is you can't.

I'm not remotely convinced by your assertion now that 'we will get some of our quota back'. A few minutes ago you were assuring us we'd keep everything we currently have as a minimum.

You also stated we could trade on WTO terms from day 1 which is blatantly untrue unless we start negotiating that beforehand.

If you read my posts properly you'd see I asked why aren't leavers who a striving for WTO not annoyed at this pissing around trying to retain SM access.

If you accept WTO needs to be agreed and you want WTO as opposed to SM access, why aren't you bothered that's not happening?

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/08/2017 17:25

Immigration was a factor for me too.
Not quite sure how or why you're framing it as some sort of a big reveal that you managed to squirrel out of us with your wiles tbh, bathilda Confused

Lots of reasons for my vote, immigrant being one.

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