The Brexit Arms. All welcome.

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So.....how are we all?

Remember the Labour thing...

I think the EU has been cast as John Major.... not politically, just as the grey ghost at the table.....

Maybe your right and the time for a change think was heard and voted on, but I don't mind the pain, in return for getting out of the EU.

I keep saying how do you get 27 countries to agree

I really don't see any other way than the WTO which we are already a member of and can use to trade from day 1

I genuinely don't understand how you can post these 2 points straight after each other without a hint of irony.

Getting 27 countries to agree to something is a lot easier than getting 160 countries to do the same.

We cannot trade under WTO from day 1- all the other countries need to agree our quotas.

If leavers are striving for WTO why aren't you annoyed at this time wasting process of requesting an extension to the current system?

Brexit will make us all poorer but i have a hunch that it will all work out in the end. Profound.

Plenty of people will mind the pain though, you still haven't really articulated well your reasons for wanting to leave.

All the leavers who say that they don't mind a bit of pain will do well to remember that in the campaign any suggestion of risk was shouted down.

Its all very 1984 really.

JAMs already thrown under the bus it seems. Such patriotism.

No that isn't right about the WTO.
Our quota is part of the EU Quota, So we can trade the same or less but not more, we can copy and paste their documents to use in WTO, but if something fails we have to trade at the same leave as Russia and Brazil, and we would have to pay the tariffs.
We then provide a statement and we trade under that, and countries can disagree with it but it takes a few years to sort out.
The Statement is supposed to be Certified at some point but the EU have changed theirs since 2004 but never certified it..
I can say it because the WTO is already open to us, what is different is how or what tariffs we use, but it also means the other countries have to pay the tariffs as well, so not one sided.

Who is the UK going to trade with and what is it buying/selling? I ask because potential trade deals with India and new Zealand appear to have withered and died.

So we leave and trade on WTO terms that the EU has already agreed for us. That really is taking back control.

But we trade with the EU on WTO terms when before we had special status?

Wow, we really are doing well out of Brexit aren't we.

If the campaign had said: " 10 years of economic uncertainty and being poorer, but then you might be better off." It wouldn't have won.

How would I know I don't work for Ian Duncan Smith.
However we do still sell things, even you can't say we don't.

I may have the wrong person who deals with Trade as wrote it before checking.

It's all about vague isn't it?

It's Vague the same way as the remain is vague, we just don't know what will happen come 2019 .. yet

We do still sell things, but 48% of our exports or so go to the EU and we will be trading on worse terms under WTO rules.

WTO rules also do not cover services. Guess what our biggest exports are?

My Reason for voting
I don't like the Way the EU has gone.
I understand it will cost money.
I wanted out, I got a vote, I voted out...
You may not like my reason, but if you stuck 17 Million people who voted out in a field I am willing to be you would get one heck of a lot of people wanting to be on the same side of the line as me.

Yup most of the 17 million voted out on immigration and incorrect reasons.

"I don't like the way the EU has gone." Is really vague, and will mostly lead to counterfactual statements about the EU army/ EU superstate.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoesand shipsand sealing-wax--
Of cabbagesand kings
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

Is about right is it not?

It has been stated the Value of Tarrif under WTO will be less than EU budget contributions.
Pretty sure some of this money will make it's way into industry and other places it is needed.
Also that Rich people like bankers have back up plans.
Also a vacuum needs to be filled, or do you think the UK has just been written off.

So sad to feel remain feel we have nothing left in this country left to give.

I understand it will cost money.
Mummy, you've admitted a few times that we're in for a rocky few years (but you're still glad you voted the way you did). You've also asked us to 'come together' and voiced concerns about our country being divided. You've asked us to 'get behind' Brexit - or words to that effect. My question to you is, why should I 'get behind' something that I has thrown my job into jeopardy? Why should I 'get behind' something that has taken away my right to freedom of movement? Why should I 'come together' with the people that have caused this?

What else do you think more integration means? EU spokesman
Where do you think the idea of an EU Army came from . EU spokesman
We would like everyone to use the Euro. Yes we had an opt out but we had one on other things and they still happened...
The EU wanted Turkey to join,
All real things that have been said, and quoted, some have not happened but that doesn't mean they won't. so yes you get to say I am placing value on future ideas.
But last year I was asked if I wanted to carry on being part of the EU idea and said no, I am allowed to feel this way, no matter how right or wrong you feel my view are, this is what has been feed into our lives on the TV and the Internet, and I choose to opt out of it all.
So now we march to the end of the world in your view, the one where the earth is flat and I will fall off, but I think the world is round and new horizons will open up, we will move forward and find new places to trade. We may change but the UK isn't going to disappear of the trading arena.

"It has been stated the Value of Tarrif under WTO will be less than EU budget contributions."

No deal will mean £6bn in extra costs for our exporters, which means lower tax payments from these exporters.

It also doesn't cover lost trade through no agreement on services.

Our net contribution is about £7bn, about the same as our exports to Poland.

It also doesn't cover the increased costs to importers.

"So sad to feel remain feel we have nothing left in this country left to give."

Appeal to patriotism, flawed, this point is null and void.

You've just repeated a whole load of crap.

EU army- we had a veto, the current changes are not creating an EU army.

Euro, nope we were exempt, and had a veto.

Turkey, we were the biggest supporters of Turkey joining, even after Brexit BoJo promised to do all he can to help. But again, we had a veto.

The Turkey point was used to rattle people more about immigration, thanks for revealing this side of you.

More intergration? Again we aren't in Schengen and the Eurozone and so are exempt from many things. Regulations we will probably have to follow to continue trading at the current level, in fact yesterday's announcement showed this.

twofingerstoEverything
I am sorry about your job, and understand this colours you views.
I lost my job when Labour won the Election long ago, and it was due to the election as well.
This is happening so we have to change and move forward, does your attitude change anything, right now in the short term.
Crying over spilled milk means nothing happens, going and buying more milk means you can have a coffee.
Better to make the best of what is in front of you and seize your chance to change when it arrives.
I have had many of the worse things you can imagine happen in RL to me, but have picked myself up and moved forwards, always to something different but I am still fighting.

My gut feeling is the EU will end in blood and fire. Millions and millions of people are going to keep coming from the middle east and sub Saharan Africa into unhealthy failing societies. They are going to struggle to get anything more than the most basic jobs in the night time economy, work of the books or sell drugs. At some point there will be enough of them that when their sick of being an immigrant underclass they will rise up and take whatever they want

Still doesn't mean twofingers needs to support it.

Its called democracy and is the thing that Brexiteers all claim they want to defend, but only when its convinient for them. If anyone states a different opinion they get told they are a traitor, hmmm where have I seen that approach before?

No that isn't right about the WTO. Our quota is part of the EU Quota, So we can trade the same or less but not more

Eh?

The quota belongs to the EU- if we are no longer part of the EU what quota do we have?

Seriously, how do you think that it is possible for us to transfer EU quotas and use them to trade under WTO without first negiotiaing what proportion of them we can keep first?