Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

I enjoyed this short film about leaving the EU.

'It doesn't seem to have made anyone happy.... I realise now we were voting for the wrong thing. We didn't want to leave Europe; we wanted to leave England...'

www.theguardian.com/stage/ng-interactive/2017/jun/19/brexit-shorts-time-to-leave-david-hare-kristin-scott-thomas-video

How about "non satis callidorum, non satis Europeani habemus" - it's been a good seven years since I last did prose comp but that should mean "we have not had enough of clever people (for experts), we have not had enough of Europe"

Thread oath:
"Facts, not wishful thinking"

To me the incompetence and dishonesty since the referendum is utterly unforgivable.
Agreed. Funny you should say that as I was pondering patterns of dishonesty this morning, bear with me..
Vince Cable is reported to have been a consistently good local MP and when he was Secretary of State there seemed to be a measured, sensible and well researched approach at the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. So I think information from him can be trusted? I just read an old article in the New Statesmen where Vince said that during his time as Secretary of State he commissioned a study to evaluate whether the arrival of immigrant workers depresses wages and reduces job opportunities for natives. He said that (like other reports from the LSE etc) the conclusions were reassuring, that there was no significant negative effect on wages and jobs.
The shocking bit for me was that Vince categorically said that the Home Office blocked his department’s wish to publish the findings of the report. I believe him.
I admit I'd been feeling a teensy bit sorry for Treeza this week but it appears she's been misrepresenting the extent to which a deal has been reached with the DUP when in fact negotiations were ongoing.I'd love to know what she said to the Queen.
Another Secretary of State also said when she was at the Home Office she was clearly suppressing valid objective information about immigration to suit political ends. There's a pattern of deceit, and it's unacceptable

norman smith @BBCNormanS

Damian Green on DUP talks: "Its possible we wont be able to agree." @bbc5live

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/consensus-there-must-be-orderly-transition-theresa-may-finished

Simon Heffer suggests leadership contest Hammond vs DD is likely < nods sagely >

"The consensus is that there must be an orderly transition – but Theresa May is finished
Most MPs seem to favour a final choice between a Brexiteer and a Remainer.
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Johnson may be lazy, duplicitous and inept, but he is not stupid, < nods again >
hence the ferocity and very public nature of his denials after the reports.
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Remainers are thus pinning their hopes on Philip Hammond,
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The Brexiteers’ Brexiteer is David Davis"

'It doesn't seem to have made anyone happy.... I realise now we were voting for the wrong thing. We didn't want to leave Europe; we wanted to leave England...'

Thanks for posting the link to the Guardian short Hester. Incredibly powerful, especially as the decision to leave made me as a Remainer want to leave England. We're all dissatisfied with what this country has become.

It's probably been a long time coming, but for me the rot set in in 2010 and accelerated in 2015. So many lies and so much dissonance.

Yup more great negotiations....

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/20/theresa-may-under-pressure-as-dup-says-show-some-respect?CMP=fb_gu

Article seems pretty adamant that Jc wants to leave the single market.

On top of 95% drop in eu nurse applications:
Applications by students in England to nursing and midwifery courses at British universities have fallen by 23%, according to UCAS figures, but Smith says the true figure is likely to be higher since “there is always a percentage that drop out. And I think the dropout rate will be more now as students realise that they are paying £27,000 for the privilege of working on wards as part of their training alongside the studying.” Another of her grievances is NHSS^ staff being asked to check whether patients are eligible for treatment, which she sees as a slippery slope away from a service free at the point of delivery.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/20/eleanor-smith-first-black-mp-midlands-nursing-nhs?CMP=ShareiOSAppOther

Incomoetence and dishonesty before May, too:

+Cameron offering a vote on Brexit (unspecified form, no prep whatsoever ) entirely to help the Tory party internal war - risking a divided nation and a poorer nation

+Cameron hampering the Remain campaign by refusing to allow Blue-on-Blue incidents, i.e. Remain Tories were not allowed to call out Leave Ores on outrageous lies and / or disgraceful ignorance

+Bojo switching from Remain to Leave entirely to help his ambition to become PM

+Cameron and Boris completely misjudging how many angry with Tory austerity who vote to kick them in the balls

+Corbyn and his team hampering Labour Remain campaign - and we've seen how brilliantly he can campaign when he actually does so

+Cameron running away like the coward he is, instead of staying and ensuring we had the least harmful Brexit, EEA / EFTA.
He was the only PM with the authority to force this, but he put personal reputation and party unity before the country - AGAIN
He left a dangerous power vacuum that the swivel-eyed Ultras filled - they made "Brexit = Year Zero"

sos Anyone worried about civil disorder at a soft Brexit or even Remain:

A Brexit with WTO or no deal is likely to cause far worse civil disorder ....

The first few weeks:
Knowledgeable Leavers like Fichard North expect S England to become a lorry park with exports / imports halted - remember we import 30-40% of our food.

He says troops would be used, to distribute existing food supplies as stocks run low.
Then I expect them to enforce moving all exporting lorries out of the way, so that food imports can enter

Longterm: with trade hit, businesses closing / leaving, unemployment rising etc a
poorer Uk will be savagely cutting public spending, esepcially on those it regards as unproductive, i.e. poor, unemployed
Riots by the have-nots when subsistence levels cut further

If Labour act for party political reasons on Brexit, like the Tories have done ....
Corbyn's best strategy is letting the Tories carry out Brexit, plus wait until the economic / trade consequences bit.

He, or his successor in 2-3 years can then win a landslide and reform a post-Brexit UK without any concessions to the center (which will have melted),
including raising taxes on the better off and renationalising, without EU constraints on allowing private competition in parallel.

Posted on another thread:

Grenfell Tower Refurbishment Was Not Approved

Hence why there are some very clever Lexiters on the left;
Lexiters aren't just the old Labour Right, against immigration and socially liberal policies.

When a council out-source management and maintenance, can they fully out-source blame and all legal responsibility ?

The council should have ensured any outsourcing contract contained integrated check points and assessments on performance and on large projects

They should have checked if they had received notification of project end, which would be at final signing off.
They surely don't just hand over 10 million and not bother to check work has been completed properly and legally

The Grenfell Tower Refurbishment link has disappeared. I wonder why?

If the UK actually complied properly with the standards set by the public procurement directive (as Scotland does), instead of awarding tenders on the basis of lowest price, then the publicly funded option would win the tender on merit. It would also be the most efficient and profitable, as experience with the east coast main line has taught us.

Yes to philip Hammond as pm. If this leadership battle does take place, then tactical voting for labour simply to get the Tory leavers out will have made sense. I wonder where the balance now lies within the Tory party.

I meant the balance among MPs - but then aargh doesn't it have to get past Conservative party members? How ironic if once again, the country is in thrall to a few thousand hard core Tory members - possibly the least socially representative group you can imagine. It's like the 19th C.

If only we had a crystal ball, joining the Conservative party three months ago would have been a wise move.

What times the Queen speech taking place?

A couple of years ago I saw Philip Hammond as a dull mediocre minister on the right of the Tory party. Who would have thought he would currently be our best hope?

Figment the difference at the moment is that we are aware of the extent to which we are in thrall to them.

bigchoc indeed there are. This is interesting -

www.tuaeu.co.uk/the-terrible-tale-of-the-eu-and-trade-union-rights/

Theresa May drops key manifesto pledges from Queen's Speech after failing to secure DUP deal

Theresa May set to ditch major election pledges in "slimmed down" Queen's Speech.

Grammar schools and dementia tax expected to be stripped from agenda.

May's government in disarray after failing to secure confidence and supply deal for the Queen from DUP.

PM promises to "respond with humility" to failure to win a majority.

Downing Street had previously signalled that a deal with the DUP was imminent. However, DUP sources told Sky News on Tuesday that negotiations with the Conservative party in order to prop up May's minority government "haven't proceeded in a way that DUP would have expected" adding that they had been "surprised at the [low] level of negotiating experience" in May's negotiating team.

uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-hung-parliament-unveils-slimline-queens-speech-after-failing-to-get-dup-deal-2017-6

Arlene Foster is questioning May’s competence. Do you need more proof that May is on her way out?

How ironic if once again, the country is in thrall to a few thousand hard core Tory members

It wasn't even that last time. It was Tory MPs. It became a two horse race between Leasdom and May, and then Leasdom fell on or was pushed onto her sword. May seemed a safe pair of hands, although I personally revised my opinion at the first PMQs she held.