Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

[RedToothBrush]

Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

….
Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
….
….
Brexit means Brexit
….
Pilot scheme.
....
….
….
Money for –the DUP-- NI
….
….
Brexit means Brexit
….
The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
….
Brexit means Brexit.
….
….
….
Britain wave your flag.
….
….
….

(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

It's kind of funny that lots of farmers apparently voted leave. Now they won't have the workers.

The EU is so keen keep the GFA going and the Peace Process - and I wish the UK govt prioritised that too - that the NI border issue is one of their 3 prerequisites before discussing trade

I expect the EU would seriously consider any legal arrangement that could support the GFA, including allowing extra "privilege" citizens of a small country like the RoI, or the even smaller province of NI.

However, we've seen how batshit many people in the UK get over a minority having a "benefit" or "privilege" that they don't have.
So, probably the UK would be the problem here

I notice there is a deafening silence in the Brexit Arms. Maybe they're too busy celebrating the anniversary of Independence Day?
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Farage's face if the whole thing goes tits up and we end up staying in the EU.

Wonder what will happen, will they reach compromise perhaps? Keep the five year rule, have the ECJ perhaps?

Or is TM too 'difficult' to compromise? I get the feeling she is way out of her depth...

Although it could just be me, and the company I keep, but there's a lot less chatter from Leavers now.

You noticed it too then?
I found the silence around certain recent events incredibly loud...

LovelyBath migration from the EU has fallen in the past year. Because the UK is now perceived as xenophobic and unwelcoming. If it were financially feasible for me and my family, I'd be out of here tomorrow.

The ECJ has been used so much as a problem by the Fail and Co it makes it a politically hard sell for the Tories because of the word 'European' in the name.

I think the EU should just rename it. I bet lots of Brits wouldn't even notice.

Net immigration is reducing dramatically. EU citizens are not rushing to get here. It's a failicy that people want or need a UK passport

And we are heading off a cliff. They know that work will be elsewhere away from jingoistic thickies

The Uk is no longer as attractive as it used to be, so "floods" are unlikely
The only "flood" would be the applications from the 3 million already here - which under the current system would reportedly take the Home Office 45 years to process.
Part of an agreement MUST mean much quicker approval, so to remove the worry from people who have been here many years and made their lives here.

imo, maybe a simple online procedure for at least the easiest cases of people
give EU passport number, UK NI (if you've been working here), ref number(s) where you've been paying council Tax ... ?

and for kids, just passport number and the school(s) and / or unis where they have been registered

x postpointy

I'm lucky enough to live in an extremely leftie remain area. But even I am planning

In fact we should just make a government declaration that we've fully Brexitted, change the colour of our passport and then revoke a50 and stay in.

And throw in a Bendy Banana law too for good measure.

Job done.

Red But what to do with Farage...I can think of a few things

Has it though? I just read today it was really high last year (In the Independant). Immigration.

On the subject of rioting brexiteers (I know that was a conversation this morning, but I was working so missed it). If we look at the actual evidence of who has a tendency to protest and rioting it is clear that the left/liberal, mainly remainers have had the biggest and most regular protests in recent years. As for riots our most serious recent riots have been mainly young people rioting over perceived racism and injustice. Again, the young are mainly remain. Every rightwing demo I am aware of has been met by usually a much larger left/liberal counter protest. The leavers so far have shown no significant capacity or wish to protest, demo or riot in any significant numbers.

Based on recent precedents I believe that if you are worried about rioting I would be seriously concerned about riots from the young and remainers should brexit go ahead. Particularly in the event of a hard Brexit surrounded by the rhetoric of "80% voted for brexit in the election". Should the government continue to blatantly ignore the clear will of the people who voted in the election I absolutely predict a strong reaction from the youth, who have shown themselves to be engaged, capable and willing to stand up for themselves.

on the lines of what I'd thought, red And because we are British, we should make an extra special effort to watch out for racism, and stop it. Because farage and the ukips aren't racist, ever that won't be a problem.

The funny thing is David Davis is already behaving in this way, declaring 'victory' in 'achieving' certain things. Like getting the rights of citizens at the top of the list of things to be resolved. As if it wasn't the first priority of the EU too. But yes, it must be framed as a 'victory' for the political spectacle of the farce that is the British Press.

EU immigration figures for lovely bath

EU immigration has fallen since the referendum

The most recent set of figures published cover 2016 — so they cover six months since the referendum.

Those figures suggest EU net migration has fallen (as well as non-EU net migration). The fall in EU net migration—by 51,000—is large enough that we can be pretty certain it’s a genuine fall.

This fall was driven by a drop in net migration by Eastern European citizens (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia).
fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

Non violent political action has been the corner stone of the left, as I know you know, bigly that's not changing now. Labour governments in Britain have never had a mandate through violence.
Never will.

I did my monthly glance over at the Barmy Arms and they are still convinced that the EU deperately needs the UK contribution (0.7% of UK GDP) to survive.

And the German car industry of course
(despite German bosses across their manufacturing industry stating clearly that keeping the Single Market strong is far more important to them than losing the uk market)

North Korea strategy
Most of the poor buggers in NK think the rest of the world is starving, like them.
Keeps them quiet.

I think the Brexit strategy is now to justify any economic hardship from Brexit by claiming we are escaping from an EU that is "likely to explode" any day now.
i.e. saving us from worse pain.
Only works until people get fed up waiting for the imminent EU crash < remembers "Waiting for Godot" at school >

The Arms take comfort from every article highlighting a problem in the EU, e.g. the Italian banks
(not explaining why 27 countries can't support Italian banking industry when the Uk on its own rescued its much larger one)

Well, the swivel-eyed have been claiming that for at least the last 15 years and must be very disappointed

Perhaps Farage can have a riot on his own.

justify any economic hardship from Brexit by claiming we are escaping from an EU that is "likely to explode"

Is that the EU which is even more united, and doing very well economically ?

Or another EU - perhaps in a parallel universe ?

Rioting Leaver?

I've said this many times, but most leavers simply don't care enough. They are moderate leavers.

The hard core are made up of the likes of the EDL, Farage's friends who like to hide their wet underpants and socks, people who don't have the means to easily get to a protest and might well be inclined to support a Corbyn agenda anyway and pensioners.

When I start hearing about people like my 91 year old Grandmother talking about rioting, I'll let you know.

I suppose the EDL could turn into a terrorist type group. However, I rather suspect their capacity to do very much in an organised way is not really there. Perhaps more 'lone wolfers' but then I think we will get that any way given the division in the country which won't go away even if we leave the EU as its along racial lines.

Agree with woman and bigly Along the same lines I am not Corbyn supporter at all. But I will be watching Glastonbury tomorrow. The 100k that I think will chant his name will make the fail and telegraph froth at the mouth

And that in turn will guide more and more towards him and the left. I will remain sceptic about JC but I thank him for encouraging the young to stand up

The EU position is that Brexit was the decision of the UK government,
so it would be unjust for the Uk and E27 expats to have their rights reduced by a decision that is not their fault

particularly since the E26 (excluding RoI) expats living in the UK and also Uk expats who've been abroad 15+ years had no vote on it.