Petition to rescind Article 50

[Etaina]

Just got an email from Avaaz with a link to a petition:

secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/no_deal_no_brexit_loc/?cNWBamb

"The government called an election to get a massive mandate for hard Brexit, but instead, it lost its majority. Now, as the French and German governments have confirmed that the UK can reverse Article 50, and it becomes clear that a ‘no deal’ Brexit would have devastating consequences for Britain, we call on you to commit to rescinding Article 50 if we fail to reach a deal with Europe."

I know a lot of people, including DF, who voted for Brexit but now regret that decision. Even the most positive amongst them say that they wish we could just stop the madness now.

I've signed it and shared it. I think we have to give it a try.

If it goes ahead I think a lot of people will have huge regrets for either voting for it or not trying harder to stop it.

All the signs say it will be a disaster. Is that really what people want? It's still avoidable.

Do you seriously think that we can turn this back?

Nope

We've sent the bloody letter. We've triggered it. We can't unring that bell. Maybe in 40 years time there will be a chance to go back in somehow. But like the people who lost in Heath's referendum, there is nothing we can do to change the result of last June.

I am caught between thinking we can't turn back and being disbelieving that the government and the general public would really be stupid enough to do this. And yes, I do mean stupid. Even if there are possible long term benefits (highly doubtful), the period of economic deprivation before any benefits are seen will screw a generation of people- that will have long lasting and far reaching consequences and will likely destabilise our country.

So, I may not believe we can turn the tide but that doesn't mean I'm not going to at least try, rather than moping around and acting the martyr. As two said, I owe it to my kids. The defeatist attitude pisses me right off.

And I was around for the other referendum.
So was I, I was working as a poll clerk on it, as it happens.
So the people who lost Harold Wilson's Referendum didn't shut up, and brought down two Prime Ministers in the process, namely Major and Cameron. (Some would say three, and include Thatcher, but I would say that the poll tax brought her down.)
May will almost certainly be brought down, but this time partly by the 'winning side', and partly by her own stupidity.

Heath was another who called a snap election with the slogan ' Who Governs?' to get the response, 'Not you, mate'. Theresa May could have done well to study recent political history, she might have learnt something.

Yeah, we can Clapolly, the EU have given indications that we could halt Brexit if we wanted and there is, as yet, no clear legal stance on how binding A50 is.

Honestly, if you don't want to fight it then fine, but give the rest of us a chance, eh?

It seems that there is a way back as both France and Germany have said as much. However, I agree that there could be difficulty remaining on the same terms and the longer this drags on, the less chance there would be of retaining our rebate and currency etc.

I also feel that I owe it to my Dc to do everything that I can prevent this, no matter how small.

Ain't moping. Getting our Irish passports. Making sure my dd knows that Little Englanders are the ultimate losers. She knows how we voted. She knows other parents (and some family) voted Leave. We have to make the best of what we have.
Nothing can stop her. Certainly not a stupid political decision.

The thing is (I am a staunch remainer and was devastated by brexit) i don't think we really can back out now. I think its a clusterfuck and will be a disaster but we would never be taken seriously again if we rescinded this decision. Our footing within the EU can't recover from this.

We would be a laughing stock even more than we already are!

I haven't got a problem with these petitions ( they never change anything ) but what remainers have to realise is that the EU actually doesn't want us - Sure they want our money, but we were always asking for special concessions - a pain in the arse basically - now they're free of us.
I'm afraid you'll just have to accept that.

Some of us don't have the option of getting Irish or other EU passports. We have to live with it. Unlike the right wing Tories and weak Prime Ministers like Cameron, we are not wealthy enough to buy our way out of problems.

I do think our relationship with the rest of the EU is damaged and we will have to eat very large slices of humble pie if we try to remain, and it will mean the end of the special pleading and wanting exceptions.

Signed.

It's not a done deal by any stretch.

As somebody put on twitter today, the problem with basing decisions on public opinion is .... public opinion is always changing.

People should leave it alone. People have voted, let it be. The same with the people who want Theresa May out she got the majority, let her be. What's the point of voting if people are not going to stick with it?

I think we're a laughing stock whatever we do tbh, in or out. We've shown ourselves up to be petty little englanders, willing to turn our backs on stability and security because we're so scared of anything "other".

What scares me is what will happen when people realise they have been played on a massive scale. I think we will have riots and civil unrest whichever deal we do or don't take as the government still insist on lying to the public about the supposed benefits of Brexit.

As a remainer, I could just about live with Brexit if there was some truth and honesty about the process. If the public were told what the costs versus benefits are. I can't believe in the supposed benefits because the government have so manifestly withheld the truth on the costs.

And yeah, clapolly, some of us are stuck in this shitty country so thanks for that

She hasn't got the majority though, has she quencher?

She does not have the required majority but she is pm. Trying to get her out is not the answer.
Also, Trying to turn the brexit vote is silly. I agree it should have been done better but it's been done. What you have to ask you self is whose views are more important? I guess the people who voted leave will believe they are right. Isn't that democracy? I would rather we kept to the rules of voting.
If people don't believe the vote was fair, then campaign to have another referendum that states leaves means leave rather than ignoring the previous vote.
By ignoring the vote, democracy loose it value and I would rather we kept to the rules.

I would have loved for us to stay in the eu. I would love for someone else other than Theresa May to be pm. But the choice has been made and we need to start focusing on moving forward because so many things are happening and this country needs to start focusing. People need it more than ever.

The problem is, quencher, I'm not sure we can move forward. I think Brexit will irrevocably damage the uk and we will be stuck with that for a very long time. It's not like a normal election where you think "I'll cope with this for 5 years, then I'll get a chance to change it".
My industry might never recover from a hard Brexit, how am I personally supposed to move forward when I'm middle aged and too skint to retrain? There will be a hell of a lot of people in my position, how are we supposed to "move forward"? How are the government going to support the many people who will lose not just jobs but whole careers? All because someone put a single cross against no on one day, in a referendum in which they had not been given remotely accurate information.That seems pretty undemocratic to me tbh.

signed thanks OP

@Bolshybookworm use there is the potential of damage and I do see your point of view in regards to your business. When David Cameron out it forward with the conservatives they knew the effects, including what might happen to people like you but they decided to over ride that and go ahead.
I think they didn't believe it would go through but it did. None of them made effort in fighting the corners of the remainders. He stupidly came back with a poor deal from Brussels and expected people to just be ok with that. That was undermining the power of voting when you have a lot of desperate people who feel they are not being listened to and not helped. The same behaviour of undermining people is what Theresa went for and it backfired. They don't seem to learn. It's people like you that get caught up in the middle of it.

I find trying to revert and change votes is what causes a lot of problems in lots of countries around the world and it does not sit well with me. I think it can be a slippery slope and this country has worked so hard for its democracy.

Last time I heard Gina miller speak she was talking about soft brexit and how we can't go back, would that still exclude your business or will it depend on the type of soft brexit, and the areas it targets?

No, I think it would survive if we stayed in the single market. This is what I hope and pray for tbh but I don't think it will happen. We are very heavily tied into EU regulations so not sure how well EEA/EFTA would fit.

www.marchforeurope.net

Sorry, wrong link. New march 9th September, London.

"Here's hoping Sinn Fein pitch up and use their seats this time for the good of Ireland if not the rest of the UK."

Here's hoping they and the DUP fuck off.