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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:17

I'm guessing that the rest of that promised Cabinet reshuffle is off today....

Grin
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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:19

Jeremy Cliffe‏*@JeremyCliffe*

This obsession with Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill is an unhelpful distraction letting Theresa May and her ministers off the hook.

They are the scapegoats, but I also think they have been a large part of the problem. The Cabinet's weakness in standing up to it is also worth noting though. Strong and stable government in the face of Brexit negotiations?

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WeakAndUnstable · 10/06/2017 12:20

DH just reminded me the DUP don't work Sundays, though Smile

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:22

And:

Steve Peers‏*@StevePeers*

If the Prime Minister can't function without her demonstrably toxic and incompetent chiefs of staff, she needs to find another job.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
DUP chief Arlene Foster met UDA boss days after loyalist murder in Bangor

Arlene Foster has defended meeting a UDA chief within 48 hours of the loyalist feud murder in Bangor of Colin Horner in front of his three-year-old son.

When is this news article from?

1st June. 2017.

But Corbyn. IRA.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 12:23

Davidson ignored no 10 and refused to buckle in to Hill/Timothy and was rewarded with the best Tory result in Scotland for 40 years. She, unlike May , has got a mandate to flex some political muscle. If May had any sense, she'd try and use that.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:24

Roland Smith‏*@rolandmcs*
Peter Brookes nails yesterday's speech outside No. 10.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 12:30

DUP toxicity is just going to keep coming until May gives up this absurd idea.

It will only weaken her further.

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 12:32

@hrtbps
Daily Mail now blaming May aides for "being obsessed with crushing enemies." 🤔

Hilarious.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:45

Robert Peston‏ @Peston
Chief whip Gavin Williamson has been sent to Belfast by @theresa_may to negotiate formal coalition with DUP

www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1861999457458124

^Theresa May is trying to persuade the ten DUP MPs to enter into a formal coalition agreement with the Tories, as opposed to a less formal "confidence and supply" arrangement, ministers tell me.
The prime minister has sent a team of officials, led by her chief whip, Gavin Williamson, to Belfast to negotiate the details of an alliance with the DUP.^

"A coalition would be much better than a looser alliance", one senior minister said. "We don't want the DUP demanding money for this or that project they fancy every time we need them to support us in a vote. That would be deeply unstable".

"Don't under-estimate the importance of doing the DUP deal" another of Mrs May's colleagues told me. "Without it, I don't see how we govern with any confidence".

Or to put it another way, the deal with the DUP represents life or death both for the new government and for Mrs May as PM.

Mrs May's hope is that in any coalition, the DUP would be satisfied with ministerial jobs at just below cabinet rank. It is not clear whether the DUP would insist on being represented in the cabinet.

^Sources close to the prime minister say that she understands the concerns of liberal Tories like Ruth Davidson about the possible price of a deal with the DUP, and she will not offer them any promises to reduce the rights of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, trangender or intersexual community, or to reduce womens' rights to abortion.
Promises likely to be made by Mr Williamson and the prime minister are likely to concentrate on the Northern Ireland implications of Brexit.^

^In particular, they will pledge to try to ensure that customs and immigration checks will not be introduce between Northern Ireland and the Republic, and that there will be no new restrictions on free movement between Northern Ireland and the British mainland.
There are concerns that the rest of the EU may insist on customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Republic.^

Mrs May is also expected to offer to invest in Northern Ireland infrastructure.

She is working today on finalising her cabinet.

Formal coalition. Working today on finalising her cabinet.

Words. Struggling to find them.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:47

Armando Iannucci‏*@Aiannucci*

Somebody tweeted me an acronym but I've lost their details.Hats off to whoever suggested Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:52

Matthew Holehouse‏*@mattholehouse*
PM has spoken to leaders of France, US, Aus and NZ - but not it seems Juncker Tusk or Merkel.

Does that involve the need to be humble?

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TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 12:52

Don't under-estimate the importance of doing the DUP deal" another of Mrs May's colleagues told me. "Without it, I don't see how we govern with any confidence".

They're fucked then. Autumn election it is.

Do they really not grasp all the DUP shit that will come out if they pursue this course? As the Tories have never been remotely interested in NI - perhaps not.

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 13:01

Question to Faisal Islam
Am I right in thinking that if there are any Tory rebels against the DUP coalition in parliamentary vote, Corbyn gets the job? @faisalislam
Response
No. They could abstain without a deal and she could still win a confidence vote as minority. And he might not win a confidence vote.

But Lucas in charge might. Ok, ok I'm dreaming. But

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 13:03

Tatiana, on the bright side I do think we all could do with a good lesson in NI politics - beyond IRA = bad - for a number of reasons.

Its LONG LONG overdue and there are many current issues which could benefits from them getting air time in England. Having a good old look at what goes on in our own country is not necessarily a bad thing.

Rachel‏*@Rachelagain*

These "DUP policies you should know" articles are honestly enraging and insulting. They're an overt admission of ignoring oppression in NI.

This is a very poignant tweet.

Timing isn't ideal to say the least and yeah it doesn't really help supporting the GFA, but its a side effect that should be welcomed.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 13:13

Nick Timothy HAS resigned.

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HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 13:19

Oohs to Timothy. Was he pushed or is this an attempt at being valiant I wonder.

Just talking to dh re the FUK-DUP coalition. If I were Corbyn I'd be on the blower to SF right next w attempting to get them to take their seats, even if just until brexit is sorted - for the gfa and to give ni a proper voice.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 13:22

Fiona Hill HAS now also resigned.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/06/2017 13:31
Hmm

Ironically, the Prime Minister is the one political leader who understands this division, and who has been working to address it since she became Prime Minister last July. The Conservative election campaign, however, failed to get this and Theresa’s positive plan for the future across. It also failed to notice the surge in Labour support, because modern campaigning techniques require ever-narrower targeting of specific voters, and we were not talking to the people who decided to vote for Labour.

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 13:35

because modern campaigning techniques require ever-narrower targeting of specific voters, and we were not talking to the people who decided to vote for Labour
Well mate, since you knew this and you were her advisor, you royally fucked up. Cock spanner.

Badders123 · 10/06/2017 13:36

Ds1 and I watching the hignfy election special 😁

Bolshybookworm · 10/06/2017 13:36

That letter Hmm So the prime ministers grand plans to increase social inclusion were grammar schools and hard Brexit? Yeah, she TOTALLY got it. At least we knows where she gets her delusional views from now.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 10/06/2017 13:38

I guess they're hoping this will take the fire off May. Trouble is, the main (almost only) job is to appoint a team, so this further undermines her competence.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 10/06/2017 13:39

main job of the PM that is

BirdBandit · 10/06/2017 13:39

Surely we can't be expected to swallow the "evil Jafar/Aladdin" narrative, the advisors made TM do it. So if they go, it is all OK?

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