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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 10/06/2017 11:13

David Davis the man so shit they had to name him twice. Best dust down my marching boots...not really got their head round that youth vote have they?

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 11:14

I bet Davis hasn't even looked into what being pm means yet 😂

BestIsWest · 10/06/2017 11:14

Rudd and Fallon both went down badly during the campaign. Hammond is largely untainted by the campaign (because he was invisible). But he is a Remainer. So I'd agree Davies.

Boris will be leader one day though.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 11:20

Did Rudd go down badly? Tainted by being in the Home Office with 3 terrorist attacks and 'security on the cheap' associations but competent 'call of duty' performance in debate. But if she is contemplating some leadership bid with Gove...maybe that was just a rumour...head definitely needs examining.

WeakAndUnstable · 10/06/2017 11:21

David Davis the man so shit they had to name him twice.

Grin
lalalonglegs · 10/06/2017 11:25

Hammond - he will get the business community on side and go for the softest of soft brexits. The hardline swivel-eyes effectively lost on Thursday, they don't need to be accommodated, but the young vote does for the party to survive. If the revelations of the past few weeks are to be believed, it is Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill who have been driving the hard Brexit bus and once they are banished and TM is gone, the hardliners can be cut adrift.

HOWEVER, the rhetoric of the past 12+ months may well have cut off a soft brexit - there will have to be a lot of humble pie eating in Brussels first. I don't think DD could even pick up the spoon let alone swallow it with an impression of appetite.

lalalonglegs · 10/06/2017 11:27

Rudd couldn't possibly go for leadership with a 300 majority in her own constituency. She would be way to vulnerable to any future Conservative backlash - and let's not forget that TM called this election because she anticipated a whole heap of backlash in the next two years and was worried that left the party vulnerable in 2020.

IrenetheQuaint · 10/06/2017 11:30

Surely Brussels would love it if we went for a soft Brexit though. They might play tough in public to make the point, but it would be much better for European economy and stability. Plus they would enjoy seeing the British make an embarrassing climbdown.

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 11:33

I'm interested to see from a DM article today* that it appears that it was Timothy and Hill who had it in for Hammond rather than the Brexit loons (alto it may have been both). Although the source is clearly a Hammond ally.

It also indicates that it was those two responsible for Hammond's low profile during the election campaign - meaning that Hammond could never challenge Labour's pie-in-the-sky economic plans.

*dodgy source clearly, but good access to Tories.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4590054/Furious-Philip-Hammond-dodges-sack.html

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 11:35

DD has no credibilty with Brussels and the EU have made it known via Juncker that they don't consider him up to the job.

From Brexit negotiations POV I think negotiations would break down this summer with him in charge.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:40

DD has no credibilty with Brussels and the EU have made it known via Juncker that they don't consider him up to the job.

Precisely why he is better domestically for the Tory party. Yes, yes I know.

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TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 11:45

For the Tory loons, yes.

But I'd think moderate Tories are losing their appetite for lunacy and its effects.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/06/2017 11:46

Ha!

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:50

Tatiana, the remainers will settle for a candidate who appeases the right to a degree. Davis has set his pitch for a soft sensible option out to appease them already.

If they don't put up a candidate that is acceptable in some way to the right and is committed to Brexit, the hard right will either collapse the government or stand a rival back bencher in a leadership challenge. They don't care if we run out of time or throw ourselves over a cliff.

For this reason along, this is why I think it has to be a leaver: it means they have less mud to sling at them over a softer approach to brexit.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:51

Clive in Hemel Hempstead forget the liberal democrats won more seats but lost vote share.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:52

Andrew Neil‏ @afneil
Much top Tory talk this morning that Mrs May needs to appoint a Deputy Prime Minister to counter power of her Downing Street advisers. Who?

That would be another way of getting a single obvious successor...

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:54

norman smith‏*@BBCNormanS*

Senior Tories say Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill must be sacked this weekend or leadership challenge on Monday

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:56

www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/ruth-davidsons-scottish-tory-mps-will-be-prepared-to-defy?utm_term=.of1O5XEMr#.eeq7wY6PQ
Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tory MPs Will Be Prepared To Defy Theresa May
Sources close to the Scottish Conservative leader told BuzzFeed News she now has unprecedented influence over the prime minister.

Another Ruth Davidson story. Could she be deputy PM - then a seat found over the summer for a by-election?

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TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 12:00

Davis can't remain acceptable to the right by pursuing a soft Brexit line, so that won't last long.

I think Leavers will favour a leaver and Remainers will favour Hammond.

Peregrina · 10/06/2017 12:00

I am still pleased about the general direction of the results. It felt like the first shaft of light in the darkness of the last year. I am delighted that May's stupidity in calling an election has enabled us to boot out a useless Tory MP three years earlier than expected. As our results were about to be announced someone happened to mention that the dawn was breaking - he was looking out of the window, but I realised that it could be a metaphor for a more hopeful future.

The proposed support of the DUP has at least brought the Northern Ireland question firmly into the spotlight, instead of May ignoring it and hoping it will go away. In addition May is now beholden to Ruth Davidson because she delivered the Scottish Tory vote. All your problems May - no one else forced these problems onto you.

As for Brexit - well May and Cameron - you Brexit, you Fixit, so I am glad that Labour hasn't got in or they would be able to blame them for all the problems.

At the same time, now that the threat of UKIP has been seen off, I wonder if someone in the Labour party is brave enough to go back to the older electorate and say 'Look, was it the EU which you were upset about, or the lack of investment in the NHS and austerity? If we attempt to fix that, will you be happy with EEA type arrangments?'

Will someone think of suggesting a proper coalition as with the war time coalition - where all parties have a chance of being represented?

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 12:01

I was wondering when Hill and Timothy would be sacked so that's answered my question.

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 12:02

According to the DM article (not vouching for its credibility) Hammond is also pushing for a deputy PM and the removal of Timothy.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 12:07

Ruth Davidson as Deputy PM...that would be an astonishingly interesting appointment but would she even contemplate it? If one of her demands was setting up a cross party Brexit negotiation team that would be brilliant but Tory HQ would surely not go for that

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:12

It could all have been so different. I genuinely believed Theresa May when she stood on the steps of No 10 in July last year and said we would run a country for everyone and stand to fight injustice. I hung that speech on the wall of my Downing Street office and felt that, together, we were the crusaders against the stigma of mental ill health, the saviours of the Union and the champions of the working class.

But there was no together. Her closest advisers put paid to that.

Nick Timothy, the prime minister's joint chief of staff, used to love reminding people what a hierarchy was and how it worked. If No 10 was run like a business, he would do well to remember that the customer is always right.

And the customer has spoken - a hierarchy bigger than Nick, bigger than the prime minister. At the top of the chain sit the people who put you there in the first place - the electorate. I have written before about a whiff of arrogance emanating from No 10. It turns out the public couldn't just detect a whiff, the place blood well stank.

The chiefs of staff were great street fighters but poor political leaders. Great leaders lead by bringing people with them, not alienating them before having even digested breakfast. What I could never work out was whether Mrs May condoned their behaviour and turned a blind eye or didn't understand how destructive they both were. For all the love of a hierarchy, the chiefs treated Cabinet members exactly the same - rude, abusive, childish behaviour.

For two people who have never achieved elected office, I was staggered at the disrespect they showed on a daily basis. I never hated them. I felt sorry for them and how they measured success by how many enemies they had clocked up.

Mrs May doesn't need street fighters now, she needs people with charm and diplomacy to get her through the next few weeks and months.

Written by Katie Perrior was director of communications at Downing Street between July 2016 and April 2017.

She resigned just after the election was announced...

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 12:15

Quote above published in today's Times btw.

I've heard rumours that BOTH Hammond and Davis will not support May if Hill and Timothy stay.

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