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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 10:23

It looks as though print media has suffered a nasty blow, especially Murdoch and scare who believed they could control the electorate

I know its huge.

Murdoch wanted to leave Europe because they don't listen to him there. The idea of trying to control the internet was about maintaining that power too. The young have been free of it because of the EU as well as the technology.

This at least makes me gloriously happy but this also creates a power void.

It does alarm me how many people I know who believe the likes of things coming in to replace it though. The Canary is a good example.

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 10/06/2017 10:23

The irony...Cameron through the referendum would once and for all solve the Europe issue within the Tories..instead it just lit a match

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 10:24

bigchoc Leadsom was surely 'persuaded' by Tory HQ to opt out before the Tory member vote. (A lot of do you REALLY you think you are qualified? type pressure.) because there was no knowing what the Tory grass roots would do. Corbyn's mandate has real resonance.

PinkPeppers · 10/06/2017 10:25

Another thing i have noticed in this last few days.
Have you seen how many women are in the front line atm?
Yes TM but also Amber Rudd, R Davinson. A lot of women around in a way that I have never seen it before.

So many shifts, on a big scale and on a small scale.
Interesting times....

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 10:29

200 women in Parliament for the first time.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 10:32

But also we were heading towards a WTO siituation and a disorderly exit from the EU. Could we get it worse than that??

Still going that way at the moment. We haven't wretched the steering wheel from May yet. Until I see firm movement and change of tact from Cabinet DOING something I'm going to reserve judgement.

We also have the 70 hard line rebels.

Tories with brains should be reaching out to Yvette Cooper's suggestion. They CAN pass a soft Brexit with support of Labour. David Davis comment is recognition of this but you can imagine what the hard right are saying. They are willing to crash the government to block that. That's why GE likely. Unless you get Labour propping up the government in a no confidence vote! In national interest that's what they probably should do. Chances of them doing that? Na I can't see see it either but that clock is ticking too. If we can't revoke a50, what options do Labour have?

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 10:33

Labour ran a really good campaign on their own terms with an authentic leader who looked comfortable in his own skin. And that is according to Nigel Farage! Why are the Tories so blind?

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 10:34

The Labour alternative Q speech will be interesting...

WeakAndUnstable · 10/06/2017 10:36

Next Tory Leader odds: Paddy Power

BoJo = 6/4
DD = 3/1
Ruthie = 4/1
Rudd = 6/1
Hammond = 8/1

and......wait for it......

Nigel Farage 150/1 Grin

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 10/06/2017 10:39

Not sure if already mentioned but twitter going wild over rumour that condition for giving their support to Tories, DUP are insisting reduction in abortion time limit for all women in UK.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 10:42

Re Hill and Timothy, MPs believe they have become May's 'comfort blankets' according to The Telegraph, which says that the only other person she really listens to is her husband. And: 'given that his job is secure, the two advisors are needed as a sacrifice'.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 10:42

BBC Andrew Kerr
Lib Dem sources say they're seriously considering going to court to challenge @StephenGethins 2 vote SNP majority in North East Fife.

Hmm not sure this is a good idea but if local LD officials at count were unable to argue about something like spoilt ballots it perhaps explains it. Not sure whether it's be another recount or election though.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 10:46

Not sure if already mentioned but twitter going wild over rumour that condition for giving their support to Tories, DUP are insisting reduction in abortion time limit for all women in UK.

Can't see it getting passed. Not enough numbers. It's more likely to be tolerating the breach of the ECHR in NI and not pressuring for it to be changed - more relevant if direct rule becomes reality too.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 10:53

Julia Hartley-Brewer @ JuliaHB1
Many Remainers think a hung parliament means we will see a "Soft Brexit", staying in single market. That option is NOT on the EU table.

Seb Dance @ SebDanceMEP
This a comprehensive lie. Barnier has been explicit in saying that single market and Customs Union remain options should the UK want them.

Seb Dance - the 'he's lying' sign MEP.

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lalalonglegs · 10/06/2017 10:58

The blank-cheque partnership with the DUP is horrifying but spare a thought for the poor, non DUP-supporting people in NI itself. This from my friend in Belfast this morning:

If you had issues about your fellow Brits voting preferences in the Referendum spare a thought for the Norn Irish. We have in effect voted to have no representation anywhere now except for those 10 seats held by the DUP in Westminster. UNBELIEVABLE!! My mantra yesterday is that we deserve all we get. A guy from the SDLP yesterday kept repeating the phrase “Politics is dead in Northern Ireland”. His view is that what we have now instead now is Sectarian Tribalism. Sadly, I fear he is right.

That's why SF needs to find a way of taking up its seats in WM.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/06/2017 11:00

Campaign – a poem by Carol Ann Duffy exclusively for the Guardian
Britain’s poet laureate responds to the general election result in a work written for the Guardian

amp.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/10/campaign-a-poem-by-carol-ann-duffy-exclusively-for-the-guardian

In which her body was a question-mark

querying her lies; her mouth a ballot-box that bit the hand that fed. Her eyes? They swivelled for a jackpot win. Her heart was a stolen purse;

her rhetoric an empty vicarage, the windows smashed.

Then her feet grew sharp stilettos, awkward.

Then she had balls, believe it.

When she woke,

her nose was bloody, difficult.

The furious young

ran towards her through the fields of wheat.

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 11:00

I don't think whether it would be passed is the point - an abortion vote should not even be on the table.

I don't know if Owen Paterson was going off-piste in a private nonsense or whether he's been tasked with dropping it into the press to gauge the reaction, either is not good.

ElenaGreco123 · 10/06/2017 11:01

Hear, hear, lala

prettybird · 10/06/2017 11:02

The option that is not on the table (and conveniently not mentioned by JHB) is the Single Market without FoM. Hmm

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 11:02

'Fields of wheat'? Urban decay might be closer to the mark.

Artisanjam · 10/06/2017 11:05

I don't think for a moment that the abortion bill would be passed - it would have to be a free vote in WM.

However, the rumour that May is throwing this bone to the DUP to prop her up for a bit fundamentally undermines her attempt to stay. If nothing and no hard won Rights areis more important than her personal wish to stay in power, she is delusional.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 11:08

reaction.life/theresa-may-might-not-survive-next-72-hours/
Theresa May might not survive the next 72 hours

I strongly suggest this article closely describes what's going on

Some ministers are ready to say they will refuse to serve under May. Other members of the cabinet are actively engaged in trying to save Theresa May’s premiership on the basis that it is not immediately apparent who would take over if she steps down. Other senior members of the government have heard nothing – not a squeak! – from Number 10. There is astonishment at what is going on. “She’s f*ed,” says a key minister. “No, there is no vacancy and we cannot spend the next six months knocking lumps out of each other,” says another. “What a disaster,” says another.

And

Here is one potential scenario explained to me by a furious minister. A senior member of the cabinet needs to be agreed on as the replacement, he says, with a whipping operation, starting immediately. That person can present themselves as the cabinet’s unanimous choice. The 1922 Committee can then canvas views and agree a way forward quickly on Monday morning. Might a bold or reckless backbencher want to stand too in such circumstances creating a contest? Is the country in the mood for a Tory leadership campaign? It is highly doubtful.

The skeleton “top five” cabinet is designed to head that off. But will it?

The options:
Hammond - steady hands. Stood up to may and got burnt. Represents Conservative business angle. But strong Remainer who hasn't shaken that.
Rudd - think tainted by being too close to kipper approach of Tory party conference. Too closely associated to May. Not in safe seat. Remainer.
Johnson - Too stupid and undiplomatic. But leaver.
Fallon - again experienced. Showed loyalty to may. Respected internationally. Remainer converted to leaver.
Davis - has pitched himself early with comments about single market and customs union. Leaver. Regarded in Brussels as delusional but this might work for him domestically too.

It's between Davis, Fallon and Hammond.

Think Hammond will stay at Chancellor for need for stability.

That leaves Davis and Fallon.

My money is Davis. Especially given chatter .

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 10/06/2017 11:09

Yes Kaija if dear Arlene wants to play with the big boys at Westminster shed better get used to the mainland medja.