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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BestIsWest · 11/06/2017 10:35

If I was a Tory Mp who'd just got elected by the slimmest of margins would I want to risk my seat at the next election by tainting myself by an alliance with the DUP?

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 10:35

Are the DUP actually showing any enthusiasm for this anyway!? Statements of loyalty but also rapid rebuttal on any of May's claims that there is an agreement.

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 10:36

Meeting tomorrow for may to explain to all her MPs about DUP deal. They will absolutely whip the backbenchers relentlessly to stay loyal to May. They cannot afford to have another election they might lose and Tories being Tories like to be in power a lot.

Londonlovely · 11/06/2017 10:36

Thank you Dumbledore and Bigly.

Exciting, volatile mind boggling times.

Exposing my ignorance further what is the content of a Queen's speech in the current context?

I had no time for Jeremy Corbyn after the referendum as he seemed to a meek opposition but having read parts of the manifesto and observed how he is conducting himself i am a convert. I hope he gets to lead the country and work out the softest of soft brexits whilst reasserting decency in British politics.

The Conservatives have truly messed the British public around, the genie is out of the bottle now.

Go Corbyn.

lamado · 11/06/2017 10:36

Labour know that that won't get a Queens Speech through. But whilst the tories are in disarray Labour are showing 'strong and stable leadership'.

DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 10:37

Labour don't want to pass a Queen's Speech, they are hoping to be in a position to put one forward and watch the Tories vote it down and trigger another election. They feel like they have the momentum on their side.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:39

Peston to Nicky Morgan: Is May emotionally capable of leading in a different way?

EMOTIONALLY CAPABLE!

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Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 10:40

Can you explain more please Dumbledore?

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 10:42

Everyone is looking at the DUP, but it will also depend a lot on how reasonable the hard-line brexiteers are going to be. The DUP will demand concessions on Brexit and the brexiteers could well stomp their feet at this.

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 10:43

Minority governments just limp on but Maybot is toast. Given that some might actually have voted May in preference to Corbyn (as she commanded) but are actually going to get Davies/Fallon or Bojo, it's crap really, but that is life in Tory land.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 10:44

Tories face GE wipe out. Labour have them by the doo dahs.

HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 10:44

I don't think Labour want to trigger another election or run a minority government. I think they want to flex a bit of muscle but leave the brexit shitshow to the Tories, hopefully watered down so they can then claim victory. They're making all the right noises of course, but I think its meant to be a warning shot to the Tories more than an actual threat.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 10:45

Is May emotionally capable
Marr asked Fallon. "How is Mrs May?"

CaptainBrickbeard · 11/06/2017 10:45

May can't afford any Tory rebels. Ken Clarke rebelled on the Article 50 vote. What might his stance be going forwards? I don't see them he Tories voting themselves out of power or backing Corbyn, but how on earth can May reconcile her hard Brexiteers with the other extreme of her party?

DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 10:46

If Theresa May can't command the confidence of the House of Commons then she has to give Corbyn the chance to see if he can. If he can't, and that looks unlikely when you see the numbers of seats, then it triggers an election. That would suit Labour just fine right now. The Tories might even let a Labour minority government pass a Queen's Speech to hold off a little while on an election so that they could get a new leader in place. It's all completely up in the air but because we are a parliamentary democracy it all hinges on what happens in the House of Commons in the coming weeks.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:47

The Tories will vote for the QS.

But there will be lots of changes from the manifesto.

Do I expect fox hunting to be there? Grammar schools will be watered down. Heathrow gets interesting. More austerity will be binned due to DUP.

Heseltine thinks government will stagger on for two years. Just as economic effects really are biting.

Thinking about the Tories who have been publicly this morning.

Notable the two loyal people has in Cabinet who have seen and have done interviews are Grayling and Fallon. Everyone else invisible.

Nicky Morgan is a loose canon. George Osborne is getting revenge and Heseltine is pro EU.

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BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 10:48

I don't think Labour want to trigger another election or run a minority government. I think they want to flex a bit of muscle but leave the brexit shitshow to the Tories, hopefully watered down so they can then claim victory.

This would be my preference. I actually think that labour are as surprised by this result as anybody and are just winging it and seeing how far they can go. Nobody really has a plan right now nobody really knows what is going to happen. However, Corbyn has shown he is far, far better at improvisation than anybody else in this shit show, so is happily in his element I think.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:49

Marr made the comment that there was a rumour that May was in 'floods of tears' on Thursday night.

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IrenetheQuaint · 11/06/2017 10:50

McDonnell has just ruled out staying in the single market - this isn't going to do him any good with Labour Remainers. If Corbyn wants to win a second GE he needs to get rid of McDonnell and move to an explicit EEA/EFTA position.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:52

LGBT Labour‏*@LGBTLabour*
For 30 yrs Canterbury had a Tory MP that voted no to all LGBT rights. Now they've a Labour MP that 2 days after being elected goes to Pride!

This kind of says it all.

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woman12345 · 11/06/2017 10:54

@MichaelLCrick
Anna Soubry says Theresa May is "flawed", or perhaps she meant "floored", or both.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 10:56

@paulwaugh
Heseltine says Corbyn can be PM: “He can wait and byelections will give him what he needs when the public mood is clamouring for change”

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:57

Michael Deacon‏*@MichaelPDeacon*

How Brexit could wipe out the Tory party. Robert Harris in the Sunday Times

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:59

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
Soubry re May: "I dont think she does have a majority for leaving the single market, more important people dont want HArd Brexit & "No Deal"
Soubry: Good deal will certainly include membership of the Customs Union, which will solve problems in NI, and its what business wants

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hushlittlepuppy · 11/06/2017 11:00

""How is Mrs May?""
Oh dear Grin that doesn't sound good. One of the faux concerned phrases to dread in the corporate world. .

she really shouldn't have run through those wheat fields

beware of epiphanies even if you are the vicars daughter

I'd selfishly welcome another election as my citizenship should have come through by then and I'd skip to the ballots. Hopefully plenty of EU citizens who have naturalised in recent months will register to vote too.

More youngsters will have reached voting age.

Suddenly our future in the UK seems brighter and I am feeling so much more positive.

Thanks
Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit