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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 10:05

(Sigh) I love Jezza he can put his boots under my bed anytime.

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 10:07

I think Corbyn did very well there and he just comes across as so much more likeable, relaxed and grown-up than any of the toxic backstabbing Tory bunch.

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 10:09

Never seen Andrew Neil looking so twinkly. Can't watch the shock of the exit poll too many times.

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 10:10

The odious Julia Hartley-Brewer on Sunday politics now: You can't run a presidential campaign if you have a leader who has the charisma of this desk.

Grin
RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:12

Andrew Neil: "Doesn't it take stupidity bordering on genius to turn a 20-point lead into a hung Parliament?"

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Londonlovely · 11/06/2017 10:14

Please can somebody explain how Corbyn and Labour could form a government now? Thanks.

borntobequiet · 11/06/2017 10:14

Committed Remainer here but I think I understand May's reasoning.
FOM/immigration was the driver of the Referendum result. However that would be something the EU would not deal on, under any circumstances. The UK would have to compromise in some way on this and in addition pay up. This would not be acceptable to Leavers - a bad deal. Hence No Deal.
But now, with this election result, the growing realisation among those who had never given it any thought before of the horrendous damage, both economic and political, of what Brexit woul do, and the polls swinging away from Leave, I think we are going to get another election, a general swing leftwards with Lib Dems picking up moderate Tory voters (I hope), and a second Referendum (after a convenient Labour U-turn) resulting in a Remain vote.
Well I think that would be nice.

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 10:15

Tamara Cohen‏ @tamcohen

McDonnell says people would interpret staying in single market "as not respecting the referendum" #peston

Confused
HashiAsLarry · 11/06/2017 10:18

I bloody love the Tories. When the other parties may enter a coalition to create chaos, they're going 'hold my beer, we'll do it single handedly'

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 10:19

Tuition fees have politicised students and destroyed May.
10% swing to Labour, in local Gauke's constituency, and 16% swing to Labour in Watford.
Big swings.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 11/06/2017 10:19

In the interests of balance, I think I should complain to the BBC for Marr's fawning Corbyn interview :)

(Actually I think I'm about to join the Labour party)

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 10:21

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0220.html

It seems that there is a rather important legal case in the supreme court this week.

It's about the fact that women from NI have to pay for abortions in England as they are not entitled to them on the NHS.

Of course the supreme court is independent but I suspect the case will now generate a lot of media attention....

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DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 10:24

London- if Theresa May can't get her Queen's Speech through and pull together her party, the Scottish conservatives (who I don't think will fall meekly in line with the sort of Brexit that Tory hardliners want) and the DUP (also soft Brexiters) then the Leader of the opposition gets to put forward a Queen's Speech instead. If the Tories vote that down then it triggers a general election and Labour are now 5 points ahead in the polls and the Tories are in chaos.

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 10:26

Please can somebody explain how Corbyn and Labour could form a government now? Thanks.

I am sure people with more expertise in this rather complex area will correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that it now centres around the queens speech. The Tories have to pass a queens speech in order to be able to form a Government. This can be done as a minority Government by making a coalition or gaining a consensus with other parties. The Tories get first dips as they won the most votes, but if they fail than Labour get a go. If labour managed to pass a queens speech by gaining cross party consensus they would then form a Government. I am assuming a minority one.

If nobody manages to get the queens speech through I guess we are screwed and end up with another election.

citroenpresse · 11/06/2017 10:26

Exit Poll Curtis is fantastic. Wish a few more of my politics lecturers had been as succinct, humourous and focused. How is this youth vote going to be pinned down? What data is used?

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 10:26

Beth Rigby‏ @BethRigby
Senior minister on Boris Johnson: "He's a fool & people don't like to see someone putting self interest above national interest" #GE2017

ROFL! In that case Bojo isn't exactly the only one who should rethink his priorities...

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 10:28

Don't think there's enough opposition numbers to defeat mays queens speech unfortunately.

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 10:29

Don't think there's enough opposition numbers to defeat mays queens speech unfortunately

That's why they need the DUP.

So what price will they extract?

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 10:30

And will all Tory MPs vote for the Queen's Speech automatically?

Or will they make demands as well as regards Brexit?

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 10:32

Youd hope some Tories have enough morals.to vote against the DUP hookup.

But they are probably all too power hungry

BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 10:32

So what price will they extract?

And will the Scottish Conservatives or the hard brexiteers be prepared to pay it? If me loses either of these the support not the DUP is for nothing. She can't afford for even a few MPs to not support her. This is going to be one hell of a balancing act and May hasn't exactly shown a flair for consensus recently.

QuentinSummers · 11/06/2017 10:32

Yes, even with the DUP it only takes one or two of May's party to rebel and she's fucked. There must be some Conservative MPS who won't countenance the DUP surely? Also the potential leadership challenge could inspire more.

DumbledoresApprentice · 11/06/2017 10:33

Corbyn and Labour have said they will try to force amendments to her Queen's Speech too. For example one guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens. She may not be able to resist that as many of her own party are in favour of it.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 11/06/2017 10:34

It would be a very odd situation I think for members of a party to vote against (or abstain from) their own Queen's speech. But this is uncharted territory I think.

I can't see a Labour QS going anywhere, this is just a publicity stunt basically. In other worse: this is the QS you could have had, and something to go into the next election with. Unless it goes down like a lead balloon, of course, in which case we'll not hear of it again.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 11/06/2017 10:34

The point on amendments is interesting. Didn't realise the QS went through like any other bill.

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