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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 23:22

in a hung parliament, manifestos are rather moot, because the voters rejected them all.

Any bill that passes will have to have agreement by at least 2 parties
In particular, any bill about Brexit will have to have significant Labour support too, because the Tory party is so split and the former Remainers are now emboldened.

Artisanjam · 10/06/2017 23:22

I'm warming a little to the idea of David Davis taking over from May, rather than BJ. He's not very bright, but had already said soft Brexit now likelier and he is very principled on human rights and rule of law. I don't think he'd traipse into erdogan territory as May has.

I'm surprised BJ would want the job at the moment, unless they really are now changing tack.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 10/06/2017 23:22

bigchoc

And its the labour voters fault as well

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 23:23

Can I just point out that not all peoe in thus country viewed the election to be about brexit. People like me who are very poor worried more about domestic issues which tend to affect them more directly that whether we are in or out of Europe. Yes I know the effect if brexit will impact us. But everything already impacts us. Austerity, globalisation etc so I, at least, have viewed brexit as just another thing that always affects the vunerable.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 23:23

Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson
Mail on Sunday tripe - I am backing Theresa may. Let's get on with the job

Sorry had to post about Juncker. Yeah I know it'll be red meat to so of them. But really. Did she really do it because of Juncker. Its too funny for words.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 23:25

What is it with blame and Brexit?

Its like a disease.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 23:25

Elements Comedy gold:
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/2951211-To-think-its-a-bit-pathetic-to-start-a-petition-against-the-Tory-DUP-coalition-and-the-losing-team-should-just-accept-it

CaptainBrickbeard · 10/06/2017 23:25

TheElementSong, the best bit is where it becomes Nicola Sturgeon's fault 😂

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 23:26

Maybe she was right about them interfering in the election Shock
Though maybe that's how they knew she was crazy, she didn't get the joke Grin

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 23:27

Nick Barlow‏*@nickjbarlow*

Tory MPs who were critical of Farron's private religious views during the campaign should be asked opinion on the DUP's public ones.

Matt Zarb-Cousin‏*@mattzarb*

Jeremy Corbyn spoke to the IRA/Sinn Fein to bring about peace in Northern Ireland. Tories are jeopardising that by doing a deal with the DUP

Tweets like these are not loosing their power no matter how many times I've seen them today.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 23:28

Junker is such a wind up merchant but that seems entirely credible though does that also mean he was complicit in May's protest about the dismal dinner and Brussels are 'interfering'? He was weirdly ALSO encouraging Tories to turn out?

TheElementsSong · 10/06/2017 23:28

Thanks Choc and Captain, off to have a look for entertainment purposes.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 23:34

Have to bid goodnight meds kicked in. Peace to all and thank you for valuable lessons and help tonight from you all.Flowers

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 23:35

sostenueto I think that this hung parliament can't get sufficient votes to pass bills to cut services & benefits any further.
Sadly, it doesn't look like any possible Tory PM candidates have the slightest wish to reverse any cuts or help the most vulnerable.
It's all about attracting and retaining the wealthy; no one else matters to them.

I hope you get better news and no more horrid brown envelopes for you or other worried Westministenders Flowers

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 23:36

bigchoc that thread is awesome

woman12345 · 10/06/2017 23:38

I hope you get better news and no more horrid brown envelopes for you or other worried Westministenders Flowers
I wish you the same, sostenueto

TheElementsSong · 10/06/2017 23:41

Halfway through that thread like this ShockGrinShockGrin - it's quite a relief though, to find that there is a good ratio of sensible posters compared to the, um, not sensible ones. My god, they love being the ultimate victims of the universe, don't they?

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 23:44

I may be in a mischievous mood and chucked a grenade on that DUP thread.

Oops.

They'll all hear it eventually anyway.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 23:45

Most Leavers and Tories are quite sensible people like the rest of us, just some views with which we disagree.

However, the Brexit Ultras and Tory wingnuts are totally different fish:

  • When their chosen heroes screw the pooch, they keep blaming everyone else
  • When they have more votes, they think this should stop all debate should and protest
  • They don't "do" facts or experts, because their heroes know everything. Questioning this blind faith is like questioning whether any flavour of Sky Fairy was involved in the authorship of the Koran or the Bible.
RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 23:47

Paul Brand‏*@PaulBrandITV*
We never challenged the DUP's views when they ruled NI. But now it affects England... We must all get better at covering devolved govts.

The moment you hear the chants of Hallelujah, hallelujah, HAL-LE-LU-JAH.

Last May and June might have been a better time to have started that, but better late than never.

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woman12345 · 10/06/2017 23:47

Election results 2017: Who are the DUP's 10 MPs?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220397
Even this pretty anodyne summary of this group is pretty horrific.
Mr Paisley expressed his views on same sex marriages. He told Hot Press magazine he was "pretty repulsed" by gay people and lesbianism

Emma Little's father Noel Little was one of three men arrested in Paris in April 1989, along with a South African diplomat and an arms dealer

Mr Simpson also spoke in the Commons against same-sex marriage, stating: "In the garden of Eden it was Adam and Eve, it wasn't Adam and Steve.".
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And .......... DUP funding filter for Leave?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 23:48

< looks sternly at red > Grin

BestIsWest · 10/06/2017 23:55

Which is the DUP thread? Do I want to get involved?

BestIsWest · 10/06/2017 23:58

Found it. Batshit crazy.

squoosh · 10/06/2017 23:59

'TheElementSong, the best bit is where it becomes Nicola Sturgeon's fault 😂'

I enjoyed that thread today, especially like the post that accused Sturgeon if BULLYING May ( not my caps ) and the one that says Labour voters were entirely to blame for this current instability Grin

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