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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 21:38

I think that if the Tories lose a vote of confidence after the Queen's speech, then HM would invite the leader of the 2nd largest party, i.e. Corbyn, and ask if he could try to form a govt

If he can't either and if neither party can manage a confidence and supply arranagement, then there would be another GE

However, this is most unlikely, because in this febrile political climate, too many MPs fear losing their seat.
Also, the parties probably can't afford a third GE in 2 years and the country sure as hell can't afford the chaos and delay during the A50 countdown.

Unless the big beasts seriously miscalculate, the Tory govt will stagger on until what should the final Brexit deal in September 2018.

At this stage the govt may fall if either there has been no deal agreed with the EU, or the terms tear apart the Tory party.
Then the Labour leader (whoever they are then) can either choose to form a minority govt, or demand a GE- in which the Tories will be in total chaos and will have openly failed to get a deal. Go for a GE then !

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:38

Here I will probably show my ignorance but, I thought the Queen has no power politically. I thought she has to agree with anything the PM put in front of her. So she can't refuse Mays request to form a working government with DUP. So what would be the point of an opposition Queens speech?

WeakAndUnstable · 10/06/2017 21:43

Mail on Sunday front page tomorrow...BoJo. is apparently launching leadership bid.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:43

Cross posted chocfrenzy so we may be stuck with Tories till 2018. Well that's ruined my day, I certainly will lose my DLA now given the time scale and my dd her working tax credit.Sad

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 21:43

It begins.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 21:45

Of course, a new Tory PM could be sensible and go for EEA / EFTA
That would be passed with pretty much all-party support, exiling the Brexit Ultras, probably no more than 100, almost all Tories.

That would cause the least disruption to the economy
and there would probably be nice headlines with flattering praise from very relieved EU negotiators, Merkel's, Macron etc

Only Trump would be grumpy ! - and he might not even be there in 2 years < ok, more of a hope than a prediction >

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 21:45

The PM is going to have to think about reversing on austerity somehow. It doesn't matter who it is. The will of the people and all that...

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HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 21:48

I still have more faith in TM than bojo. And that doesn't say much.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:49

Thanks Red that's a bit if comfort x

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 21:49

Observer also lighting the faggots around the stake:

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:51

Bigchocfrenzy what's EEA/EFTA? My I really am dim!

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 21:51

Sos Questioning the assumptions and calculations of the Government and presenting an alternative view are really important functions of an opposition. The political differences between the two main parties were really marked. The Tory manifesto was widely derided and that's what the Government is presumably adapting. They will (I sincerely hope), be asked for more details about their Brexit strategy because as yet, they haven't presented a plan. They have produced no financial details. And now May has lost her two closest advisors who were instrumental in the direction of the party; she's stuck with Hammond who knows she intended to sack him; she has Rudd who is in an ultra-marginal seat and will face 'security on the cheap' questions. Still all to play for so Labour have got to produce a credible alternative.

PinkPeppers · 10/06/2017 21:52

Hashi I agree, BJ would be a disaster.

flippinada · 10/06/2017 21:53

I think the Observer have it about right there.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:53

I don't think I have been this excited about politics since the 80s. Its all going on! Let's hope the country holds together and not completely collapse!

woman12345 · 10/06/2017 21:54

Stop the DUP & TORIES forming a Minority Government
www.change.org/p/winston-no-coalition-with-the-dup-may-out-postmanpratt1/sponsors/new?source_location=after_sign

I didn't rate Corbyn but I think it's a mistake to think that he represents a cult. It's just old fashioned socialism. Much of the Labour manifesto would not have seemed odd in previous decades: free education, health care, social services and a commitment to challenge racism and sexism.

He and fellow travellers have mobilised a desire for a socialist government. Whether they could swing a majority is another question, but to get a result like that with almost an entire press, and the BBC intent on undermining him, shows something's popular here.

It was the Labour manifesto which won a lot of votes, not just the personality politics playing out round his character.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 21:55

This is quite a helpful Brexit alternatives type thing. Norway models etc.
www.slaughterandmay.com/media/2535258/brexit-essentials-alternatives-to-eu-membership.pdf

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 21:56

^Of course, a new Tory PM could be sensible and go for EEA / EFTA
That would be passed with pretty much all-party support, exiling the Brexit Ultras, probably no more than 100, almost all Tories.^

^That would cause the least disruption to the economy
and there would probably be nice headlines with flattering praise from very relieved EU negotiators, Merkel's, Macron etc^

This is exactly what Yvette, Ruth, Sarah and Heidi are pushing for. David seems to be on board. Phil will be chuffed to bits. I wouldn't rule out a really weird votes happening where you have more support for the government from the opposition that from their own benches.

Nigel will hate it, but he already knows there is nothing he can do about it. Despite however much he protests about it. He's admitted as much.

Tim and Vince know its a back door to get back in to the EU. This is what the Brexiteers will seek to block as much as possible now. Th.is is the only option now left to Nige.

And Nick and George will do everything they can with their new jobs to make it happen and support it with propaganda.

I think that the EU will probably go for it. Brexit has proved itself to be a harmful exercise which has led to a political crisis and a collapse of government. There is no need for them to make it hard. They just will want to protect themselves politically. They also will want to bring us back in closer due to Trump.

Things look to be aligning into something resembling a consensus. One that matches the majority of public opinion and is politically achievable.

Its not ideal by any means, but there are signs that progress can be made and reason will be listened to. That alone makes a huge difference.

And everyone lived happy ever after. Well hopefully.

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flippinada · 10/06/2017 21:57

I always suspected that BoJos buffonish persona was a deliberately cultivated facade. But maybe not.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:57

Not sure Citroen that JC can do it. First time I'm having a smidgen of doubt and nice to see you.Flowers

TatianaLarina · 10/06/2017 21:58

I didn't rate Corbyn but I think it's a mistake to think that he represents a cult. It's just old fashioned socialism. Much of the Labour manifesto would not have seemed odd in previous decades

Even in the 70s with its notorious economic mismanagement, people understood you had to have some kind of workable budget behind your aims.

Corbyn is just the left-wing version of unicorn populism.

Promise people cake and they'll vote for you left or right, it turns out.

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 21:59

I believe Boris to be intelligent it's the bluster that puts me off.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 21:59

I don't agree woman12345. I think it's really quite different. The policies might seem old-school socialism but the method of engagement is definitely contemporary. Tories are light years behind in terms of grass roots engagement and they know it.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 22:06

Corbyn's policies are mainstream democratic left on the continent, where I live.
All that might raise eyebrows a bit is his taste in dodgy friends.

The visionary 1945 Labour govt, which created the modern welfare state, nhs etc, was elected by a public determined to make "a land fit for heroes" (which they hadn't received as promised after Ww1)
The country was in ruins, in by far the deepest ever debt as a % of GDP

There was NO money
But they went ahead anyway
They had courage and vision

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 22:06

Most parties will surely want the Tories to sweat for a bit. If an EEA/EFTA type model is (behind the scenes) a consensus, and the protection of EU citizens and GB in EU is a given (everyone surely agrees with that), it might be then a question of calculating the IOU. That might not take 14 months...