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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 19:52

I think the Gove assassinations and all that befell the other candidates was merely the grey suits clearing away the opposition for her

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 19:54

Didn't we all think she was the sane one though?
Not convinced she'd have won a voted contest though, she never had the ability to make friends

PinkPeppers · 10/06/2017 19:54

DUP to support minority government after 'confidence and supply' deal reached

So what is the 'confidence and supply' deal???

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 19:58

Just seen that the Scotland Office Lords minister (Andrew Dunlop) has stood down. Made me wonder which ousted MPs we might see elevated to the Lords in the next few weeks

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 19:58

I think the cv thing was worse than the mother thing but she was the e Leave candidate: "Andrea Leadsom is a Conservative every Brexiteer should want as Prime Minister" according to Simon Heffer in the Telegraphy. Maybe it was a deal to have Fox and Davis in the Brexit office? They'd both been out of front line stuff for ages.

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 10/06/2017 19:59

All sounds a bit weak and unstable to me...

SwedishEdith · 10/06/2017 19:59

Not sure it ever got to voting rounds did it?

OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 20:01

Pink - confidence and supply means that the DUP would not support a vote of no confidence in the government, and they will support finance bills that agree the funding to deliver government policies

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 20:01

I think that BigChoc probably right.
Leadsom was going to win the popular vote from the party itself. Then suddenly it all went horribly wrong.

Its interesting that May is meeting the 1922 committee on Tuesday. That meeting would be one to be a fly on the wall of.

I think they are deciding who will be PM next and May will be told what is going to happen and when.

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 20:02

Howabout was just quoting what ConservativeHome said about Scotland and Ruth (i.e. that was their recommendation she turns up). In case we see anything from the Government because they seem to be making all the calls on there!

lamado · 10/06/2017 20:03

What do the DUP get out of this?

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 20:04

Asa Bennett‏*@asabenn*

In case you thought Gavin Barwell was holding back by calling Nigel Farage a "bigot", he has also called him a "racist"

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 20:06

I think Leadsom crumbled essentially but that doesn't mean that alert Tories didn't get a little deal in first. Because May doesn't really get this negotiation lark.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 20:09

I agree, red that MPs will probably take the opportunity of the 1922 committee to tell her she is out
(or if they haven't yet agreed on buggins turn, just tell her she's out once they do)

They probably intend to annoint a new PM without even any MP voting rounds - they want total certainty that the next PM is the one they have chosen.

Their problem will be that - having so unexpectedly become PM after she thought the time had past her by - May is hanging on like grim death

It is grim
But death will come fairly quickly

mathanxiety · 10/06/2017 20:12

Bigly, if the Buzzfeed article has any truth to it, then it reveals that the Tories were conscious of how close to the UKIP position they were, and perhaps that they had intentionally positioned themselves squarely in UKIP philosophical territory.

BigChoc:
Remembering previous minority / tiny majority govts where DUP votes were critical, this involved a lot of shamelessly extravagant extra public spending in NI.
The DUP - unless they've changed a lot - have their snouts firmly in the public trough and I'd be surprised if they support cuts for the rUK.
Expect lavish spending to prop up NI farmers and some infrastructure investment too because that provides 'jobs for the boys' (that will translate into votes - cf Chicago machine politics) in an attempt to soften the impact of Brexit, and new Jags all around for the DUP. The spending won't be sustainable but the can will be kicked down the road a bit. The can being the ultimate question - a border referendum.

Fianna Fail to start organising in NI in hopes of picking up SDLP support, in advance of a 32 county political entity arising. sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/09/time-for-fianna-fail-to-stake-a-claim-in-the-fourth-green-field/
Though as one commentator says, 'The next battle for nationalism is joint authority, at which point running in the north is an option. Eastwood championed it at the start of the year and Adams on Newstalk this morning hinted at it.'

Fwiw - The prediction of North Belfast going SF next time (in the comments) is probably real given the decimation of the SDLP this time.

howabout · 10/06/2017 20:13

Red just had to check your turn out numbers as they imply an electorate greater than the current UK population.

Actual electorate of 46.8 m and 68.7% turnout of that being 32.2 m.

On vote share Con 13.7 m and DUP 0.3 m
BUT
Lab 12.9 m, Green 0.5 m, Plaid 0.2 m and SNP 1 m

so significantly more votes for the Coalition of Chaos even if LibDems (2.3 m) sat on the fence.

Not a WEP fan so quite pleased to see they scored lower than

Monster Raving Loonies. UKIP total was only 0.6 m

(EU ref was 46.5 m electorate and 72.2% turnout giving
17.4 m Leave + 16.1 m Remain = 33.5 m)

EU Ref had more voters and Leave polled more votes than either Coalition proposition even if you add in the LibDem.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

(Only queried it because I had a closet Kipper acquaintance exclaiming about UK population explosion over my shoulder, so sometimes worth being careful with the stats).

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 20:14

I hear that there is talk that a deputy prime minister may be elected by the government to support May?

HashiAsLarry · 10/06/2017 20:20

@stancollymore
Come on Dacre and Murdoch and Hopkins and Robinson and Tories.

Where's your outrage now?
Pic of article re foster meeting 2 days after killing

All oddly silent Grin

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 20:23

Ah. I was being dim howabout.

You are right. I've read it off the bbc website incorrectly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 20:23

The Uk needs a deputy PM, to stand in when the PM is away

Certainly now when leaders of all countries are typically their own foreign ministers when it comes to the big occasions, swanning around on the world stage.

Maggie started it, appointing Willie Whitelaw (a thoroughly decent old-fashioned Tory One Nationer)
Remember "every Prime Minister needs a Willie" ? Grin

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 20:26

I hear that there is talk that a deputy prime minister may be elected by the government to support May?

You mean the real prime minister instead of the pretend one left standing?

When I heard that this morning I thought was the way to install a new PM rather than someone to 'support' her.

Extremely likely.

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OlennasWimple · 10/06/2017 20:29

HowAbout - the population and number of eligible voters isn't the same, though, even accounting for those who are too young or too foreign to vote. I'm living overseas but still eligible to vote, for example

Sostenuto - what do you mean about electing a DPM?

flippinada · 10/06/2017 20:38

So, so pleased to see these threads are still going. They kept me sane after Brexit. Thanks Red.

Now, off to catch up before I post any more .

Sostenueto · 10/06/2017 20:40

Well I don't know how these things work. Does the party choose deputy PM or does the PM choose one? Heard on news a while back saying a deputy would be able to share workload and replace PM who is not very good when put on the spot at vital press interviews or media interviews to stop her gaffes. Maybe somebody that might actually answer questions?

explodingkittens · 10/06/2017 20:40

Thanks for these threads. They are brilliant, so informative and calm Grin

Barwell's ex-constituency is, of course, the one with Maria Gatland, previously of the IRA, as a councillor. How ironic.

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