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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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LemonSalad · 10/06/2017 14:59

Elena, same here, I wasn't born in the UK either but learnt about the Orange Order and the DUP at school, from newspaper articles and other media coverage. The degree of ignorance and apathy displayed on that thread is sad, although to be honest I'm not even massively surprised. Just look at how little people know about the EU....

Of course it's not an exclusively British problem. There's plenty of shocking ignorance about basic history and politics in my home country as well, although I don't think it's quite that bad!

LemonSalad · 10/06/2017 15:02

Great post (as always), Red! I really hope you're right!

pointythings · 10/06/2017 15:03

I know the dust has settled and that a lot of things are coming out of the woodwork. I know the outlook is uncertain-to-bleak.

But I am going to have just one more day indulging in schadenfreude.

Thanks, Red, for your astute political analysis and hard work. You deserve some kind of MN award. Thank you also to all the other commentators who know far more than I do - honestly, these threads should be compulsory reading for anyone studying politics anywhere.

Badders123 · 10/06/2017 15:07

Oh how I'm loving the right wing hate press backlash

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:08

rhodri_jones‏*@rhodri*_jones
I missed this. Interesting. Selling vision of a Britain that seemed incompatible with Mayism. Full of cultural cues

Why Labour won is really well presented in this Labour ad. Its like the Leave ones in that it draws hugely on emotion and people reacted to that:

twitter.com/LabourLeft/status/872549605602463744
The advert is one of the best political ads I've ever seen. Hard not to be moved by it if it chimes with your values.

Note the placing of the imagines of Corbyn with the lyrics to it particular to "Someone to rely on"

And if you have a minute why don't we go
Talk about it somewhere only we know?
This could be the end of everything,
So why don't we go
Somewhere only we know
Somewhere only we know

Incredibly powerful and potent in the context of everything and particularly to a generation with whom the song is very familiar to.

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MrsDanversKnickers · 10/06/2017 15:14
RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:21

Well this seems quite apt.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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whatwouldrondo · 10/06/2017 15:21

I have not been keeping up well today but to go back to the point made 5 pages ago that the Great Repeal Act was not talked about during the election. It wasn't by the conservatives, or indeed any detail of their Brexit strategy beyond platitudes. Vince Cable spoke about it nationally and locally in terms of the risk to regulations and protections that were actually good for the UK economy, and he was prepared to go into some detail on those. He used it locally as an example of an issue he would be prepared to champion in parliament and the media but that the local Tory candidate would be limited by the whip...... He will certainly be ready to pin down and challenge the detail. Apologies if I have been sounding like the VC fan club

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:24

For Treeza.

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BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 15:26

I have had a little family day out today, which has given me a bit of time away from the radio, and I have released that despite the unbelievable mess we find ourselves in I feel genuinly hopeful for the future for the first time since the referendum. I had started to believe that when DD grew up I would be telling her stories of the golden age when we had free health care and education for all, when homophobia and racism were considered shocking and appalling.

This election has shown me I am not actually part of an ever decreasing minority of people who believe equality and human rights are important. I am thrilled to realise that what I had begun to believe was an unstoppable move to the right may be a (big admittedly) wobble after all. We do have people who are prepared to ignore the hateful rhetoric and stand up against authority for what they believe.

This knowledge, that we have power and the right to voice our discontent, can not be taken away from us and from all the people who voted against the Tories. That is what we really won in this election.

There is still a long way to go and and lot to do, but I am going to enjoy a little moment of warm fluffy joy anyway. Grin

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:32

To be fair whatwouldrondo, the LDs do tend to do difficult / complex issues well.

I do find it quite stunning in a way that Farron, Lamb and Brake all managed to survive the election on a party Remain strategy in Leave leaning areas. Particularly Lamb who was up against 15,000 Con and 8,000 UKIP voters in 2015 against his 19,000.

You might not like Clegg for various reasons but he was a bloody good voice of reason and survived 5 years of working with the Tories. Same for Cable.

Politics does need more of it. Labour are not necessarily doing that right now and I fear if they do get in, there will also be a moment when that particular bubble will burst. Its great they have harnessed the hope and the need for change but its still idealistic in its vision and will face hard realities too.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:40

David Aaronovitch‏*@DAaronovitch*
Seriously, Ruth, Jeremy, Keir, Tim, Vince, Nicola, Caroline, Phil, let's think about not doing this Brexit thing that will ruin us.

The grown ups.

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RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:42

Alex Wickham‏*@WikiGuido*
PM to address 1922 committee 6pm Tuesday. One recipient of Graham Brady's email snarks: "But who will be the PM?"

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BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 15:43

Its great they have harnessed the hope and the need for change but its still idealistic in its vision and will face hard realities too.

This is one reason why I actually think a Tory minority Government may be better for labour. They have come from a period of huge division and instability. I hope that this result has now set their direction, but I think a period in opposition to cement that, really define their identity and get a good cabinet in place would be a really good thing for them right now. I worry that though Corbyn achieved an amazing feat, as a party they are not really ready for governing quite yet.

Also the Tories can then take responsibility for their own bloody mess rather then getting to sneak off to the opposition benches where they can claim they would have magically made it all work out somehow.

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 15:44

The For the Many Not the Few design is quite similar to Bernie Sanders A Future To Believe In (I think they also helped with campaign training). Labour ran such a good campaign and such a pathetic and insulting effort from the Tories.

That film of Corbyn made me very sad on Election Day. But then came the exit poll...Shit storm now but still hope.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 15:46

Remember Sir Ivan Rodgers? The former UK ambassador to the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38503504

I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power.

I hope that you will support each other in those difficult moments where you have to deliver messages that are disagreeable to those who need to hear them.

I wonder what Ivan makes of everything today.

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WeakAndUnstable · 10/06/2017 15:50

He's possibly having a beer with George Osborne!

citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 15:53

I agree Bigly. Tories have got to be made to work very very hard. Their potential allies are going to get ever more extreme and their weaknesses more exposed. Tory press getting more hysterical etc. Opposition parties have got to sit tight.

BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 15:53

Some interesting thoughts on the importance of the Muslim vote in some areas near the end of this Buzzfeed article.

Theresa May Gambled Her Majority On Getting UKIP Votes. This Is How She Failed.
A BuzzFeed News analysis of 100 seats with a large UKIP vote shows how one of the Conservative party's key election strategies failed miserably.
www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/theresa-may-bet-the-house-on-getting-ukips-votes-heres-how?utm_term=.uf8qqBr89e#.bhW00XBgwR

LemonSalad · 10/06/2017 15:59

James Kirkup‏ @jameskirkup
Juncker's chief of staff says Nick Timothy is the "fall guy" (for May's errors?) Brexit talks shaping up nicely then.

Martin Selmayr‏ @MartinSelmayr
Bauernopfer.

Yep, it's all just a bit too obvious.

squoosh · 10/06/2017 16:07

I've just seen an ad for a docu-drama on BBC 2 next Sunday called Theresa v Boris: How May Became PM

Looks interesting. I wonder if Theresa will watch it and remember her glory days.

BiglyBadgers · 10/06/2017 16:08

Who could replace Theresa May? The PM's likely successors
news.sky.com/story/who-could-replace-theresa-may-the-pms-likely-successors-10910722

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2017 16:18

Marc Williams‏*@Morkins*
Lots saying that Corbyn as successful as Blair & lots saying that May as successful as Thatcher. History will be more brutal, I reckon.

David Aaronovitch‏*@DAaronovitch*
That silly "May won more votes than Blair" meme? She won 150k more votes, but 700k more people voted. Bigger electorate, duh.

Stats? Damn them.

Ben Gartside‏*@BenGartside*
According to Theresa May, no advisors is better than bad advisers

Will Jennings‏*@drjennings*
Nick Timothy's statement is laughable given it was May who attacked 'citizens of nowhere'. She sought to exploit the divide, not address it.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/09/corbyn-memes-wot-won-it-some-of-the-best?CMP=twt_gu
Was it the Corbyn memes wot won it? Here are some of the best
From #LastMinuteCorbynSmears to Pringles, the Labour leader’s young online supporters may just have swung it for him

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the-battle-of-downing-street-is-over-now-the-battle-for-britain-begins-1-5056266
The Battle of Downing Street is over – Now the Battle for Britain begins

Brexit is not a done deal now the General Election is over, in fact the fight is just beginning

I like the quote in there:
As David Davis says: “A democracy that cannot change its mind ceases to be a democracy.”

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citroenpresse · 10/06/2017 16:20

According to the Independent:

May was 287 votes short of forming a working majority (Dudley North (22 majority); Newcastle-under-Lyme (30 majority); Crew and Nantwich (48 majority); and Canterbury (187 majority) which all went to Labour.

Corbyn was 2,227 votes from ability to form a coalition based on Southampton Itchen (majority 31); Preseli Pembrokeshire (majority 314); Hastings and Rye (majority 346); Chipping Barnet (majority 353); Thurrock (345 majority); Norwich North (majority 507); and Pudsey (majority 331) which all went to Tories.

Butterymuffin · 10/06/2017 16:31

Newcastle under Lyme was the seat where many students who had registered were told they couldn't vote and weren't on the list. Some had to be very persistent - good chance that that majority would have been higher if they'd all been able to vote.

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