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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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Motheroffourdragons · 06/06/2017 12:15

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Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 12:16

howabout, my logic is that this is Hobson choice.

I absolutely will not vote Tory a,though part of me does want them to deal with the fall out of Brexit.

I realise whoever gets in only has a 5 year term but Labour are repeatedly displaying their incompetence.

It's cannon fodder for May when they actually had a real opportunity to show what they could do.

Gumpendorf · 06/06/2017 12:16

The media gets hysterical about car crash interviews

Only Labour ones. TM never answers a question, BJ acts like a bullying clown. Bradley was embarrassing. DD is the most grown up but he never says anything. And they get away with it - day after day.

DA is bad and I'm glad she withdrew from WH. She should not have been anywhere near Sky yesterday either. She's shadow HS because the rest of the PLP refused to play, but DA is also one reason I've worried about voting Labour. I do want a non Tory govt and I'm in a Labour seat with a high Brexit vote. I would prefer to vote Lib Dem but that's a luxury I can't afford this election, sadly.

nauticant · 06/06/2017 12:18

I see you don't mention the personality bashing that May and Johnson get.

I don't like Boris Johnsons style but I don't agree he incompetent; quite the opposite actually.

Anyone interested in what Boris Johnson has to offer would benefit from listening to his interview on Today this morning on Radio 4. It was illuminating (about Boris but not about anything else):

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08sks3s

from 2.10:35 (warning: may induce rage)

It is such a fantastically awful performance that if May gets the boot and we have Gove vs Johnson again, I wonder whether Gove might actually be the better choice.

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 12:19

Don't confuse the two. Sometimes it's better to make errors in understanding the issues rather than pretending the issues don't exist....

RTB, have you seen the interview? Do you honestly think DA just made an error'?

She clearly hadn't read a key report which was crucial to her role.

Gumpendorf · 06/06/2017 12:23

she seems like a woman on the edge of a breakdown of some sort

I recognise it too, Elements. If so, she has my sympathy and I hope she takes time out and recovers.

A quick further thought, Abbot isn't helped by the known fact she had a relationship with Corbyn. The women are always judged.... also speaking from experience

HashiAsLarry · 06/06/2017 12:25

I don't doubt that squoosh I'm just really quite surprised people on this thread are automatically defending her following that interview, based on race and gender, when they haven't even watched it.
Most people have not been defending her on this issue. The conversation spurred from whether or not she may actually be ill, which given her recent performances may well be true. It's the same defence given to May on these threads. The point of gender and race tied in with the level of abuse she gets and has spoken about getting, and whether that was contributing to her ill health. Again, same defence given to May.

HashiAsLarry · 06/06/2017 12:28

From a personal point of view though, I find Abbott and her incompetence far less dangerous than Johnson/Gove and their outright lies. If Abbott could play the media the way those two could, it would be a different story.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/06/2017 12:30

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WeakAndUnstable · 06/06/2017 12:37

Someone's got a little carried away on the fillers...

I still like him though. He reminds me of my youth Smile

ClashCityRocker · 06/06/2017 12:38

I feel a bit glum today.

There's not a single outcome, from the expected to the extreme, that I would be thrilled about on Friday morning.

TM win by a large margin - brexit a hash, NHS and education Fucked. I suspect this to be the most likely outcome.

TM wins by a small minority - press will treat as a whitewash and everyone will forget about the clusterfuck of the tory campaign - then see above.

Labour win - more chance of plaiting piss. Even if they do, I don't think any thing can be done to avoid brexit being an absolute nightmare and we will then have to endure years of tory rule from 2022 on... And of course more 'labour fucked the economy so we have to have more cuts.'

Hung Parliament - tories form a minority government. They then have a ready made excuse when everything goes to shit.

Labour won't go into coalition, apparently.

I feel doomed.

WeakAndUnstable · 06/06/2017 12:38

OMG sorry!!! That ^ was supposed to go on the Tom Cruise thread Grin

HashiAsLarry · 06/06/2017 12:39

weak what an odd thing to say re bojo 😂

twofingerstoEverything · 06/06/2017 12:42

The Boris interview this morning was truly appalling. Kudos to Mishal Husain for challenging him.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/06/2017 12:42

Labour won't go into coalition, apparently.

I think they will but have to keep aiming for the majority to avoid the last elections 'Milliband in Salmonds pocket' thing

ElenaGreco123 · 06/06/2017 12:43

Grin At last something to smile about.

Gumpendorf · 06/06/2017 12:50

'Are you denying, Mishal Husain, .....' says Boris

Did I hear a dog whistle?

citroenpresse · 06/06/2017 12:53

Clash my hope is that there will be a prolonged timetable for Brexit negotiations (obviously it is going to happen but a saner withdrawal than the irresponsibility of the Tories saying they'll walk away if they don't like the offer). May could still get a thumping majority but her reputation is in tatters.

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 12:58

What the dickens is happening with these polls, they don't tally at all with the seat by seat analysis. Michael Crick tweeted that the tories look like they know something we don't.

A tory landslide must be on the cards, if the DT is printing this.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/06/general-election-2017-conservative-poll-lead-labour-narrows2/

The Spectator is running so many anti May articles. And even pro Corbyn ones. Weird. Or the start of President Gove's glorious reign.

Peregrina · 06/06/2017 13:03

Or the start of President Gove's glorious reign.

Don't tempt fate! We thought May would be a safe pair of hands - steady and workmanlike, and she has been anything but.

squoosh · 06/06/2017 13:06

President Pob.

May the Lord preserve us!

howabout · 06/06/2017 13:12

mother DH's logic makes a bit more sense if I explain he is an Englishman living in Scotland and pro Brexit like me. Indyref2 is a big factor for him. Kind of academic since our seat is 3 way Con/Lab/SNP split. Also while I am hopeful Labour can pull off a win and then put the SNP back in their box with the Constitutional Convention (which needs doing to sort out the Smith Commission hash, Brexit and EVEL/West Lothian Q) DH thinks his English countrymen will vote Tory and so a few Scottish Tories make for a better balance and the bigger the Tory vote the better to ensure a decent negotiating position with the EU.

SapphireStrange · 06/06/2017 13:12

Fuck me, Michael 'Lady Macbeth's puppet' Gove for PM?

This is the awful thing: I loathe TM but if – when – the Tories come for her, it leaves a vacuum, and only people like him to fill it.

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 13:13

We get President Pob and look what Canada gets, much easier on the eye. Wink

nauticant · 06/06/2017 13:16

It's not nice but I'm highly amused by President Pob.

In these times get your laughs where you can.

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