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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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LurkingHusband · 06/06/2017 11:36

US "considering" withdrawing from UN Human Rights Council ..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40173472

What are the odds this will trigger a "plan for the UK to leave the ECHR" ?

citroenpresse · 06/06/2017 11:39

Bear am lost. I didn't see the Abbot interview but as I just explained, I don't think Abbot is going to stay so really not bothered about her performance. I just linked the Johnson 350 million to the NHS because Johnson also capable of huge bloopers, but really, these kind of car crash interviews happen all the time in election campaigns and the media just gets hysterical about them.

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:41

peregrina, I didn't watch it on Sky tv- it's readily available on the internet here

I think it's wrong to bring up the subject of race or gender when the fact is this is downright incompetence.

I urge you to watch it (its only a couple of minutes long).

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:44

citreon the point I'm trying to make, clearly very badly, is that you

A) haven't seen how bad this interview with DA actuallly was (link above)

B) are trying to counter it with an extract from an interview where the interviewer talked over the interviewee so he couldn't actually answer the question and are then quoting the first line of his sentence as being his definitive answer.

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:47

was BoJo going to say anything of substance do you think?

Of course he wasn't but that's politics unfortunately.

DA can't even get the spin/ bluster/ waffle/ change the subject part right.

Couple that with absolutely no actual facts to back up her interviews and you do wonder why she is let loose with the media and why she's still in a job.

woman12345 · 06/06/2017 11:50

I don't have Sky and have no intention of getting it. Hence little comment on DA - except to say that women and blacks do have to be better to succeed in life. Which is still true even after years of equalities legislation.

Agree with both Peregrina.

Touchy about being called racist, aren't they the 'pickaninny' party?

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:51

Sorry for the ranting on this Blush

I'm really torn which way to vote and was erring on the side of Labour prior to this. My area is one of the 'key' seats apparently as a Labour have had a massive surge here and it could go red which was unthinkable a few weeks ago.

I realise DA won't necessarily become Home Secretary but I'm astounded any political party could allow such a liability to be respresenting them this close to a GE.

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:53

Having said that, I suppose May is a liability, just a different kind of one.

This is such a fucking shambles.

squoosh · 06/06/2017 11:53

I think Abbott's performance over the course of this campaign, with last night's Sky interview being a particular low point. I agree that she's now a liability and that she should step aside.

But I also think she's had to contend with a lot of criticism over the years that a white female politician just would not have received in the same measure. And that a white male politician wouldn't have been criticised for at all. I have no doubts about that.

squoosh · 06/06/2017 11:54

'I think Abbott's performance over the course of this campaign has been a disaster' that should have said.

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Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 11:56

I don't doubt that squoosh I'm just really quite surprised people on this thread are automatically defending her following that interview, based on race and gender, when they haven't even watched it.

citroenpresse · 06/06/2017 11:58

I'm sure it is every bit as bad as you say Bear I don't need to see it but she's not going to be Home Secretary or Shadow Home Secretary. She shouldn't be on the air waves - I think she's ill. It doesn't matter how bad it is. I'm not trying to 'counter' anything. The media gets hysterical about car crash interviews - there's no point attacking individuals at such a hateful, personal level. The Tories should be running on their record and manifesto promises. That they treat the electorate so shamefully is appalling.

squoosh · 06/06/2017 11:58

And to be fair she isn't the only one that is hopeless being interviewed

Far from it. Karen Bradley's interview yesterday morning was excruciating. Absolutely excruciating.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/06/2017 12:02

I realise DA won't necessarily become Home Secretary but I'm astounded any political party could allow such a liability to be respresenting them this close to a GE.

They really have no choice. As the Shadow Home Secretary this is her brief.

Not knowing what was in that important report is awful.

Peregrina · 06/06/2017 12:06

I'm really torn which way to vote and was erring on the side of Labour prior to this. My area is one of the 'key' seats apparently as a Labour have had a massive surge here and it could go red which was unthinkable a few weeks ago.

I don't think you need worry. The best JC will do is get a hung Parliament, with May or her successor leading a minority Government.

Bearbehind · 06/06/2017 12:07

The Tories should be running on their record and manifesto promises. That they treat the electorate so shamefully is appalling.

I completely agree with this.

I'm sick of TM and co automatically reverting to slagging off JC and co rather than addressing the questions that need answering.

We are being played for fools.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/06/2017 12:09

That kind of incompetence wouldn't be accepted in any other job I can think of.

Our current prime minister

howabout · 06/06/2017 12:10

Bear I am really struggling with your logic. We have had many a difference of views what with me being of the Lexit persuasion and you being very staunchly Remain. I may have my misgivings about how much Labour will actually deliver on Brexit, but I have no idea how you would come to the conclusion that they are worse for your Remain stance, given all you have said in the past. Brexit is for life but a UK Govt is 5 years max and all.

DH is hoping for a Tory win to secure Brexit and to ensure all their chickens have all properly come home to roost so we can lock them out for the next 20 years.

Excellent Prof Curtice piece below. He points out Conservatives need to be 7 points ahead to stay where they are just now - everything to play for.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40167578

howabout · 06/06/2017 12:13

Just listened to WH out of curiosity. Strikes me anyone under 60 and not right leaning would not be listening to it or DA on Sky. Given up on radio since DD3 went to school but R1 still my poison - hoping DA has Taylor Swift Shake it Off cranked up to the max in her kitchen.

RedToothBrush · 06/06/2017 12:13

Of course he wasn't but that's politics unfortunately.

DA can't even get the spin/ bluster/ waffle/ change the subject part right.

It doesn't make him a better politician. It makes him a better celebrity.

Don't confuse the two. Sometimes it's better to make errors in understanding the issues rather than pretending the issues don't exist....

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