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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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howabout · 05/06/2017 13:33

Cailleach you need 2 names though - Unicorns and Rainbows surely

Mind you I would probably opt for Chaos and Progress Smile

squoosh · 05/06/2017 13:37

You can't call the poor little scrap Brexit. You'd be damning him to a life of misery.

I'd go all 16th century Puritan and call him Joy-in-Sorrow.

Catchy.

TheElementsSong · 05/06/2017 13:38

You can't call the poor little scrap Brexit.

Sure you can. He'll instantly transform into a unicorn shitting gold nuggets.

howabout · 05/06/2017 13:39

Thanks for the poll update Red. Just looked at the SNP range 17-52. Both ends look unlikely but just shows the width of the range and how relevant the Labour swing back is becoming. Also looks like LibDems will benefit from drop off in SNP. Survation saying in their Scottish poll younger people are coming back to Labour rather than SNP and predicting high turnout. Going to be interesting.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 13:47

boingboing.net/2017/06/04/theresa-may-king-canute.html
Theresa May wants to ban crypto: here's what what it would cost and why it wouldn't work.

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LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 14:19

Theresa May wants to ban crypto:

I wonder if we'll go down the path of having Illegal numbers.

Imagine being locked up (for "suspicion, naturally) as a terrorist for having a number on your T-Shirt ?

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 14:20

This, then, is what Theresa May is proposing:

  • All Britons' communications must be easy for criminals, voyeurs and foreign spies to intercept
  • Any firms within reach of the UK government must be banned from producing secure software
  • All major code repositories, such as Github and Sourceforge, must be blocked
  • Search engines must not answer queries about web-pages that carry secure software
  • Virtually all academic security work in the UK must cease -- security research must only take place in proprietary research environments where there is no onus to publish one's findings, such as industry R&D and the security services
  • All packets in and out of the country, and within the country, must be subject to Chinese-style deep-packet inspection and any packets that appear to originate from secure software must be dropped
  • Existing walled gardens (like Ios and games consoles) must be ordered to ban their users from installing secure software
  • Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave
  • Proprietary operating system vendors (Microsoft and Apple) must be ordered to redesign their operating systems as walled gardens that only allow users to run software from an app store, which will not sell or give secure software to Britons
  • Free/open source operating systems that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors must be banned outright
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RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 14:22

Isn't MN on a secure connection now?

That's MN toasted.

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LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 14:23

Theresa May wants to ban crypto

When I was at school, the exam board used to issue a little summary to teachers about the previous years exams. I think it was intended to help in spotting areas where teaching needed clearer explanations. However, it also used to include some absolute howlers from the exam candidates.

One of the best I remember, was in reply to the question "What does a keeper do for a permanent magnet ?" a student had written that "A keeper looks after the magnet, and keeps it clean and makes sure it is painted and people give it back after using it ..."

Now I'm not saying Theresa May did do physics O level ...

Badders123 · 05/06/2017 14:28

She's starting to sound fucking u hinged 😯
After my moaning I have not one but two labour leaflets today!
Nothing from greens or lib dems

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 14:29

Isn't MN on a secure connection now? That's MN toasted.

I seem to recall one whizzo idea that popped up from the bowels of the Home Office was that the Home Office should have access to the root certificates from all Certificate Authorities, to enable them to perform seamless Man In The Middle attacks on HTTPS traffic in the UK.

Now that won't happen. But it is indicative of the fucking idiots that inhabit our civil service.

I wish I could find it on YouTube, but does anyone remember Ben Eltons "The Man From Auntie" having a sketch with Steve Nallon as Mrs Thatcher going up a down escalator, but inisisting that they were going the right way, and it was the escalator that was wrong ?

Plus ça change ...

Everytimeref · 05/06/2017 14:34

The whole of May's campaign seems to be "Don't question me just look at him." The constant put downs re Corbyn is getting so boring.

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 14:36

If I wanted to signal to my terrorist chums using the Theresa May approved internet ...

  • email scans of handwritten documents. In Farsi, or any other language the UK has a shortage of translators in.
  • use static public webcams and just place coloured squares in shot
  • learn how book codes work.
  • stream pink noise down your internet connection ...

The last is the most dangerous, as the way things are going, being in possession of quasi-random data could see you locked up forever for failing to provide the (non-existent) "decryption key".

squoosh · 05/06/2017 14:37

I've received an SNP leaflet, two Labour ones, on from the Lib Dems, and a letter from the Greens.

Nothing from the Tories, which is odd since they showered me with leaflets for the council elections.

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 14:41

Of course all of that presumes that terrorists will be going anywhere near the internet in the first place ... I know I wouldn't. Not when there are scores of low-tech old-school ways of secretly and securely communicating that would completely bypass GCHQ. Just writing letters to each other in Farsi would be a start.

Lico · 05/06/2017 14:45

Just: this Cornwall video is incredible. I sent it to my ex who now lives there and who is typical of this type of people.
In his early sixties, went to uni in the days of grants, was able to work and live all over Europe, was able to save and have a reasonable pension and has now retired in Cornwall. He now hates anything European and is suffering from the Daily Mail Rule Britannia syndrome! So many people like him who had it good in the last 40 years and are now deciding the future for all the young by spitting in the plate that fed them. Makes me very angry.

BiglyBadgers · 05/06/2017 14:49

I believe in China most people wanting to bypass the firewall just use a VPN service. Something that is recommended by most security experts anyway.

whatwouldrondo · 05/06/2017 14:54

Another former senior Police Officer has come out to critisise the lack of resources to met the current security situation.

The former chief constable of the British Transport Police, Andy Trotter has said "we need to see an uplift in police resources across the board".

Mr Trotter told BBC Radio 4's The World at One the country was facing "an unprecedented challenge and there's got to be an unprecedented response to that".

"The emergency services have done an outstanding job," he said. But he added: "Those officers have been on duty for many many days without a break and it's quite wrong to put them under that sustained pressure."

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 15:01

I believe in China most people wanting to bypass the firewall just use a VPN service. Something that is recommended by most security experts anyway.

But a Theresa-approved VPN would have to give the keys to the security services (GCHQ) before being allowed to operate in the UK.

You could use a foreign one, but that would be illegal, and make you a person of interest.

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 15:06

Here's an idea of what some people who actually know about encryption think ..

forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2017/06/05/theresa_may_london_terror_attack_response/

We can only wonder what experts overseas think .....

whatwouldrondo · 05/06/2017 15:06

Yes there are lots of ways that dissenting groups use to get around The Great Firewall. I think I posted a link a while go on how the Falun Gong continue to function as a national movement without too much trouble, and they are almost number 1 target for the CCP (China has a very long history of mass rebellions swept up by millennial / Buddhist inspired movements like the Falun Gong, which adds to the natural paranoia about any civil society /organised group). The Chinese government relies as much on flooding online sites with fifty centers as they do on control.

LH I think that probably one of the greatest vehicles for dissent in China is irony, security services tend to be very bad at spotting that........

BiglyBadgers · 05/06/2017 15:17

You could use a foreign one, but that would be illegal, and make you a person of interest.

True, but I just can't see a realistic situation where May could keep out all VPN and encryption services and has the resources to detect and track everyone who uses one illegally. It would be phenomally expensive and resource heavy. If they found other stuff on you obviously it would be an additional red flag, but they would need to reverse cuts to intelligence services and police big style to be able to shut down every illegal service that popped up. Also the statements from the Government suggest that they currently believe they just have to have a nice chat with Google and apple as if they are the only developers in the country. They are nuts.

BiglyBadgers · 05/06/2017 15:35

A nice little summary from the new scientist on why banning encryption won't work. This paragraph in particular:

"Even if governments were willing to sacrifice their citizen’s online privacy, any sort of ban would be futile anyway. Anyone with a little technical know-how could write their own code to encrypt and decrypt data. In fact, the code to do so is so small it easily fits on a t-shirt."

www.newscientist.com/article/2133644-theresa-mays-repeated-calls-to-ban-encryption-still-wont-work/?cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2017-Echobox&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1496672877

ElenaGreco123 · 05/06/2017 15:37

Also the definition of "foreign" by Mrs May would be very interesting. Is Microsoft or Apple foreign? What about ARM holdings based in Cambridge owned by Japanese investors? Just talking about companies, not VPNs.