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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 11:27

They are STILL sticking to their guns with this. In fact those Con seats are STILL going down!

The YouGov Model Update 5/6

Cons down to 305 (Sat: 308 seats, Fri: 313 Thurs: 317) – 42%
Labour up to 261 (Sat: 261 Fri: 257 Thurs 257) – 38%
LDs up to 13. (Sat: 10 Fri: 9, Thurs 10) – 9%
SNP 42 (Sat: 47 Fri: 48) – 4%
Plaid 2 (NC) – 1%
Green 1 (NC) – 2%
Notable changes Lab seem to be shaping up to get those toss up seats from this. SNP seem to be the ones struggling.

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Cailleach1 · 05/06/2017 11:33

Oh my! Theresa May saying that they could build a stronger UK Britain after Brexit. And it is her plan to build a stronger and fairer UK Britain. Yep, I came down in the last shower and certainly take her at her word. Mind you, Con's are saying judge them on their record. So, maybe don't find it quite so credible.

Although, of course not responsible for the actions for the 3 killers, I find it not irrelevant that 20% of armed officers have been cut along with 20,000 police. Ok, judge you on your record.

That post saying how police are having to work extra hours and all leave has been cancelled will leave people exhausted. Overstretched.

On a lighter note, we are to have 2 kitties join our family. OH thinks Brexit would be a fun name for one. So not gonna happen.

ClashCityRocker · 05/06/2017 11:34

Well someone's going to have egg on their face Friday morning....

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 11:39

YouGov Toss Up list new additions:

Aberdeen South
Edinburgh South West
East Lothian
Perth and North Perthshire
Bolton West
Peterborough
Dover
Portsmouth South
Cardiff North
Telford
Arfon
Corby
Enfield Southgate

A few comments about this: I would expect Bolton West to be there. Cardiff North is in keeping with other pollsters as being borderline. Corby has traditionally been a bellweather, so to see it popping up as borderline is interesting. Aberdeen South, in particular for Scotland, fits with what is coming up on other seat by seats. Portsmouth South I would suspect potentially has a high number of students. But Dover?! Is that a worry about the French border stuff?

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Plonkysaurus · 05/06/2017 11:39

Oh my word @justanother, that footage from the hustings! "I am pleased we have foodbanks in (wherever they are)"

Presumably she was about to praise the generosity of the locals that support them but for crying out loud.

Plonkysaurus · 05/06/2017 11:40

Oh my word @justanother, that footage from the hustings! "I am pleased we have foodbanks in (wherever they are)"

Presumably she was about to praise the generosity of the locals that support them but for crying out loud.

Plonkysaurus · 05/06/2017 11:42

Oh my word @justanother, that footage from the hustings! "I am pleased we have foodbanks in (wherever they are)"

Presumably she was about to praise the generosity of the locals that support them but for crying out loud.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 11:52

This May Press session is interesting. Her speech was about a lot of issues but she was trying to get back to Brexit.

The Press? The press only have only one subject on their mind. Some pretty tough questions.

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woman12345 · 05/06/2017 11:52

JustAnotherPoster00 Shock and the threat to the woman in the audience to call the police just speaking out.

And Confused at polls, red. These must be from before the attack on Saturday?

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 11:57

Journalist from Buzzfeed:
What would it take for you to publically criticise Donald Trump?
(Laughter from journalists)
She dodges the question.

She takes one more question and then ends the session.

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Peregrina · 05/06/2017 11:58

How strange. I have just been to the cash machine. It asked me whether I thought Theresa May would still be PM on Friday. I said yes - there was no option to say that her party would have its knives out for her.

woman12345 · 05/06/2017 12:01

BBC graphics are interesting with JC's quote on the side, and Cox's murder included in the list of terror attacks.

@MichaelLCrick
Don't throw election leaflets away. Pls post to @BrisUniSpColl who collect them: Special Collections, Bristol University, Tyndale Av BS8 1TJ

Peregrina Confused further. Did you have to say yes to get the cash?

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 12:01

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
Journos starting to get to her. It takes so little. "Sadiq Khan is doing a good job" she says, in same manner she said "nothing has changed"

Oh they really got to her. That Q and A session was not friendly.

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RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 12:02

How strange. I have just been to the cash machine. It asked me whether I thought Theresa May would still be PM on Friday. I said yes - there was no option to say that her party would have its knives out for her.

What are they collecting the data for? Was this made clear?

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Cailleach1 · 05/06/2017 12:04

Red, it was more like, with increasing tetchiness, 'he is doing a good job, he is doing a good job, I said he is doing a good job.' paraphrased.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 12:05

She was 'very clear' that Khan was doing a good job.

Remember the very clear klaxon and how she usually means the opposite to what she says.

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Peregrina · 05/06/2017 12:06

Did you have to say yes to get the cash?

I am not sure. It seemed to be taking a long time, but that might have been my imagination so I did press a button. I imagine it would have coughed up eventually without doing this.

It was supposedly an opinion survey, but why indeed would they want to know? Lloyds cash machine BTW, but not a Lloyds card.

Cailleach1 · 05/06/2017 12:06

I was glad when one journo asked the policing issue on its own. One had previously asked about policing and controlled orders. So she just answered about controlled orders and basically said it is all the courts fault, nothing to do with us.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 12:06

The problem for May is she CAN NOT criticise Khan. He has better approval rating than her by some distance. Easy to make swipes at Corbyn. Not so Khan.

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Cailleach1 · 05/06/2017 12:08

Oh yes, the 'yes prime minister' idea 'to be clear' is to put you in the clear.

woman12345 · 05/06/2017 12:12

Cailleach1 kittens.Smile

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/06/2017 12:24

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ElenaGreco123 · 05/06/2017 12:57

I bet that Cornwall Tory MP wishes she read the email about not to attend hustings. Is that actually real? Would anyone really say "I am glad there are food banks in Cornwall"?

HashiAsLarry · 05/06/2017 13:15

Brexit is a great name for a kitten! 'Why does Brexit keep shitting outside the litter tray' 'brexit can't decide if it wants to go in or out'Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/06/2017 13:17

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