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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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SaltyMyDear · 05/06/2017 15:50

She can't be fucking serious???????

"All major code repositories, such as Github and Sourceforge, must be blocked"

This means no computer programmer in the whole country can do their job. Github et al are absolutely crucial for programming. It stores our code. The code us programmers write to create all the software in the world.....

SaltyMyDear · 05/06/2017 15:53

"Isn't MN on a secure connection now?

That's MN toasted."

No, it's trivial to change it from secure back to non-secure. But what it means is that it's easier for people to steal your username / password when you login.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 15:59

No, it's trivial to change it from secure back to non-secure. But what it means is that it's easier for people to steal your username / password when you login.

Would people still use it then? Wouldn't that just toast it? I seem to remember a great number of users quitting after the hack. It would just leave it a target for an alt-right dox to effectively shut it down.

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LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 16:01

Also the statements from the Government suggest that they currently believe they just have to have a nice chat with Google and apple

The UKs stock with silicon valley isn't particularly high right now ... besides, US tech companies are having to align themselves on the side of civil liberties at the moment - the PATRIOT Act has cast a long shadow, and I know IBM were struggling to sell in some places - my employer for a start.

Confidence in encryption is akin to confidence in a currency. At the moment, we are happy to use sterling because we trust it will keep it's value and we are happy that the chances of a fiver being fake are so small as to be worth the risk of using it.

If all of a sudden, someone, somewhere was able to churn out perfect fake fivers, we'd stop using them overnight.

Same for encryption.

And that's before we consider that a "UK government approved encryption regime" (where the government keeps copies of the necessary keys) would become the worlds number one honeypot for every bad actor out there. The prize of getting the keys to the all the UKs encryption is too great.

And then there are technical advances themselves - quantum encryption springs to mind. If Treeza can't grasp basic concepts of encryption, she will never get her head around that. And given the latest research is looking at room-temperature quantum computing, it could become very widespread very quickly ....

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 16:06

Anyone with a little technical know-how could write their own code to encrypt and decrypt data

Actually, that's probably the security services greatest hope. Very few people can do it properly. And that's before you include the numpties who rolled their own because they didn't trust "infidel technology".

ElenaGreco123 · 05/06/2017 16:10

From the Tech Nation 2017 report

Page 2: As Prime Minister I am determined that we will build on this success as we seize the opportunities that arise from leaving the EU and seek to build a bold new future for our country. That is why support for the digital tech sector is an important element of the government’s modern industrial strategy, helping to deliver a high-skilled, high paid Britain where opportunity is spread across every community, not just the traditional areas of London and the South East.

Page 12: The UK is Europe’s digital tech skills hub. It is home to 8 of Europe’s top 20 universities. Furthermore, London has almost twice as many Github users (one of the world’s leading software development platforms) as Paris or Berlin.

technation.techcityuk.com/

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 16:17

On a serious note, it's worth noting that until relatively recently, the US treated encryption as a military weapon, meaning it was subject to exactly the same export restrictions (earlier versions of Windows had to ship with weakened encryption). It was illegal (under some very heavy federal laws) to export certain strengths of encryption, which made getting a decent encryption tool outside the US impossible. In the end someone had to physically print the code into a book (protected under the first amendment) take it out of the country, and type it into a computer in Switzerland (that's the genesis of Pretty Good Privacy - PGP).

Presumably at some point, the US government realised what a laughing stock they had made themselves, and quietly dropped the more obvious restrictions. However, it's worth noting that they - and other governments - do keep a weather eye on developments.

Since we're drifting into a reminisce about crypto, it might be a good time to remind people of the fate of the last time a serious country tried to regulate encryption domestically ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip

Oh, how we laughed at America then. And how they are laughing at us now ...

whatwouldrondo · 05/06/2017 16:35

I am sure the Brexit Arms would approve, oh the subtlety www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/rude-theresa-may-structure-erected-126737/

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 16:43

DH is a GOOD techy.

I find the idea of a "UK government approved encryption regime" utterly hilarious. Even the private sector are more weak than they should be.

The number one reason he doesn't work for the public sector is because they pay shit. How are they going to attract the best people?

On top of this there are not enough people with the skills needed to fill good, well paid jobs in the private sector and the number of people is going down as immigrants are leaving.

This is great for DH. Wages at his level have started are going up... and he's so far got one unsolicited email about jobs in the EU. He's expecting more.

In order to enforce a government approved encryption regime they need to be able to attract people like him to the public sector. LOTS of them. Alternatively they might outsource it to a private company, at an extreme eye watering price to the taxpayer.

Most techy are young. They are not pro this kind of shit. I could well see some leaving back doors deliberately for their own reasons... Who would know? How does someone check up on this?

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squoosh · 05/06/2017 16:47

whatwouldrondo that giant Theresa May is..............well I can't quite find the right words! Bloody hell.

Confused Grin

Maybe the proceeds from the Brexit Arms funded it.

Badders123 · 05/06/2017 16:49

VERY quiet over there atm....

BiglyBadgers · 05/06/2017 16:52

In order to enforce a government approved encryption regime they need to be able to attract people like him to the public sector. LOTS of them. Alternatively they might outsource it to a private company, at an extreme eye watering price to the taxpayer.

Indeed, after years of cuts to the public sector including intelligence services this is as much a staffing and money issue for the Government as a tech one. How will they justify paying for this when apparently we don't have enough money to pay for extra police or the NHS? Alternatively they don't pay for it adequately and then you may as well not bother.

So I think in summary we can all agree that for a wide range of reasons May is talking shit on the subject of internet regulations.

SummerLightning · 05/06/2017 16:56

salty that article is basically saying the consequences of what would need to be done (and it still probably wouldn't work) to ensure that secure communication is not possible. the government hasn't actually said they'd cut off github, etc, this guy is pointing out the ridiculousness of their aims.

They'll probably just have some half assed suggestion of how they are going achieve it that won't work in the slightest, but will just cause loads of hassle.

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 16:58

So I think in summary we can all agree that for a wide range of reasons May is talking shit on the subject of internet regulations.

Say that in public, and you'll be branded a terrorist sympathiser by May and her acolytes. It's becoming a Tory shibboleth ... (see also "talking down Brexit" ©2016)

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 17:03

For those with an interest in getting on a list encryption, here's someone who does know what he is talking about.

www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/05/amateurs_produc.html

and if your mind is still unboggled ...

www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/05/post-quantum_rs.html

now ask yourself: how much of that would Treeza understand ?

WeakAndUnstable · 05/06/2017 17:32

You could use a foreign one, but that would be illegal, and make you a person of interest.

WTF? She's gone the full Erdogan.

Are you talking about things like Hide My Ass VPN?

Asking for a friend who highly recommends it Wink

BluePeppers · 05/06/2017 17:38

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/20/stop-scaremongering-and-prepare-for-further-cuts-theresa-may-tells-police?CMP=share_btn_fb

So TM wants to carry on reducing cost of the POlice, she is asking them to cut even more because there is still too much compare to the 'demand'. And patently, they are just crying wolf Hmm

Said just a few days after two major terrorists attacks and the Police forces struggling to meet the request (of more pole on the ground etc etc)

BluePeppers · 05/06/2017 17:41

Forget my past post.
Half of it is missing!!

That was meant to be
This is what TM said two years ago. She said that the Police was crying wolf.
Good to see the consequences today where the Police force is struggling to meet the curent demands.
Plus of course, you can wonder if the reduction in the Police force also haven't had en effect in the increase of terrorist attacks.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 17:42

If there is a good way to get protests on the streets in the UK, it would be switching off people's interwebs...

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Charmageddon · 05/06/2017 17:42

You realise that article is 2 years old BluePepper?

Charmageddon · 05/06/2017 17:42

Sorry Blue, xpost Smile

MsHooliesCardigan · 05/06/2017 17:44

Cailleach How about calling the kitties Strong and Stable?

whatwouldrondo · 05/06/2017 17:57

MrsHoolie I like to think we will return to more normal times and those words will just take you back to the nightmare. Not good to be calling them out in 10/15 years time. I speak from experience as someone who has to call out to my deaf 14 year old cat the name of a now deeply uncool Surf brand beloved of tweens when she was a kitten......

BiglyBadgers · 05/06/2017 18:10

If there is a good way to get protests on the streets in the UK, it would be switching off people's interwebs...

...but how will I know where to protest without Twitter to tell me? What's the point of making a witty and amusing placard if there is no '20 most amazing signs of the protest' list on Buzzfeed to aim for? Shock

woman12345 · 05/06/2017 19:22

but how will I know where to protest without Twitter to tell me it has been managed before. Smile Unless we use LH's farsi letters. Maybe Cailleach's kittens could be trained as messenger cats?

Really interesting posts on encryption and IT, thanks!