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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 20:32

I'm sure it wouldn't be very difficult for an IT-literate terrorist group to build their own completely secure messaging system run over a network of compromised machines (think NHS cyber-attack).

ISIS effectively employ geeks these days.
Employ. As in like a job. From around the world. Not sure the long term career prospects are the greatest but still.
Its more organised than simply 'training camps in the middle of nowhere'.

Meanwhile the US Stands with the UK. The other America. Not the Orange Ones:

U.S. Embassy London‏*@USAinUK*

It is with a heavy heart I offer my condolences and support to the people of the United Kingdom. America grieves with you. – LLukens 1/3
The response from emergency services, law enforcement & officials in Ldn–as well as ordinary Londoners–has been extraordinary. – LLukens 2/3
I commend the strong leadership of the @MayorofLondon as he leads the city forward after this heinous attack. – LLukens 3/3

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 20:56

Will Jordan‏*@williamjordann*
Sadiq Khan's approval in London is +41. By 51-30 voters trust him to make right call on terror, substantially higher than Corbyn or May

From today's YouGov/Times poll

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:05

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-police-cuts-slammed-by-jim-gamble-former-northern-ireland-counter-terror-chief_uk_5934603ee4b02478cb9cb0dd?s7
Theresa May’s ‘Endless Cuts’ Slammed By Ex-Counter Terror Chief Jim Gamble After London Bridge Attack
‘For too long the blanket of austerity has excused all sorts of cuts’

Jim Gamble, the former head of Special Branch in Northern Ireland, accused the Prime Minister of trying to “asset strip the critical services who in times of trouble make the real difference”.

This guy has got to be a liberal snowflake hasn't he?

May made the police her enemy. She told them they cried wolf. Now, it seems, they are going to make a stand.

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woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:05

Meanwhile the US Stands with the UK. The other America. Not the Orange Ones

This is becoming a pattern, here and there.

One Love concert is so uplifting

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:09

She told them they cried wolf
On that Sky interview, he said there were police called in from all over, doing 16 hour shifts to cover for shortage of staff, during this most recent attack. It can't continue. She has previous with upsetting the police.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:11

Chuck Schumer‏*@SenSchumer*
Amazingly, with terrorism on the rise, President Trump actually proposed cutting vital anti-terrorism funding in his #TrumpBudget last week.

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BestIsWest · 04/06/2017 21:11

The concert is fantastic. I don't know who half of them are but I've had a tear in my eye more than once. All those young faces.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:13

Lib Dem Press Office‏ @LibDemPress
Lib Dems call on Conservatives to publish buried report into foreign funding of extremism including by Saudi Arabia

Chickens returning home to roost.

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woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:14

All those young faces the school choir was too much in a wonderful way, the one love message can only bring good.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 21:16
RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:18

Its really got me. This is NOT my music. It makes me feel old.

My two year old is currently awake and seems to be showing a worrying liking to Bieber. But tonight its ok.

Is this coming of age of new generation? Perhaps its come prematurely, but is there are a new purpose and fight coming.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 21:20

If I wasnt sold on him as PM before I am now

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:20

Chickens returning home to roost
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#1 on Trending

Amber Rudd shuts down my speech about arms sales to Saudi Arabia

CivQueen · 04/06/2017 21:20

Now that was a fantastic speech JustAnotherPoster00

I'm slightly bemused by all the 'He doesn't want us to shoot terrorists rabble rabble it's the most watched video on the BBC.'

Have you watched it? He said he wasn't happy about a general shoot to kill policy. General. He wanted it to be absolutely necessary first.

He supported the actions of the Paris and London police

That BBC reporter was found to have misrepresented Corbyn when broadcasting that interview (she tried to make out he'd been saying it about the Paris attacks iirc)

I don't think I'm watching the same things as some people Confused

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:22

This is NOT my music.
It wasn't mine till 2 hours ago.Grin The message of peace and love can only be good.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:22

OneLoveManchester

Westministenders: Election Mayhem
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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 04/06/2017 21:23

Sorry, that it's all over. Theresa's bit of electioneering during the agreed non-campaigning period has done its job and we're back to a 100 seat majority.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 21:26

Red, that was so gorgeous, that picture.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 21:27

Treeza gives us strong and stable apparently where as Jeremy gives us Freedom not Fear, why cant people see that we need this as a nation (in my opinion Grin)

CivQueen · 04/06/2017 21:27

Has there been another poll?

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:33

Sorry, that it's all over. Theresa's bit of electioneering during the agreed non-campaigning period has done its job and we're back to a 100 seat majority.

Which non-campaigning period? I missed that.

But yes. I'm sure it probably worked. Its just the young liberal snowflakes and the police that disagree with her speech. That's an odd alliance is it?

I love my city. Its love of music is unparalleled. I have seen gigs all across the world and the country. No one beats Manchester crowds. No One. Ok Glasgow give us a run for our money but they are the only ones who come close. Music is the city's beating heart and soul.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 21:34

Has there been another poll?

I believe there is one out tonight. But not yet. The Khan info is from the detail of the YouGov/Times one from last night.

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CivQueen · 04/06/2017 21:35

Ahhh I see. Thanks Red.

whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 21:37

My constant querying of who they are and what they are singing has led DD to tell me I am behaving like an old person, and yet I still know that both Katy Perry and Miley Cirus have dropped the wild act, for this evening at least. As DD commented you have to give it to these huge American pop stars that they have turned up and given these young fans such a thrill to balance out the horror.