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Brexit

Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 16:55
sodablackcurrant · 04/06/2017 17:05

@JustAnother.

That's brilliant.

Jan also has lovely choppers hasn't she?

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 17:20

Grin JustAnother

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/06/2017 17:24

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Irony - May's Counter-Terror and Extremism Bill she started in 2015 fell because she called the election

citroenpresse · 04/06/2017 17:46

That bill was likely not to have been passed because a) many of her cabinet colleagues were extremely opposed to it b) the wording was so woolly and indefinable that there were no clear legal structures c) there were no reasons to suppose it would actually make us safer but rather would increase alienation and confrontation and encourage extremism. A cross-party group were very critical. Weak at the Home Office, and a very weak PM.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 18:25

Donald Trump is threatening a trip to the UK and use last night for his own political ends to show solidarity

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 18:52

twitter.com/James4Labour/status/871366015032184832
This tweet has a video of an interview from the Former Senior Chief Investigating Officer of the Met Police, Peter Kirkham with SkyNews

He does not mince his words. Called the government 'lying' more than once.

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woman12345 · 04/06/2017 18:58

Trump visit could be useful.

Amber Rudd having an independent candidate's mike switched off at hustings meeting when he questioned Saudi arms sales has gone from 1 to 58 000 views on Youtube today.

20 000 police cuts has got to be so important in this debate.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/06/2017 18:58

That's pretty powerful, how direct he is. Also echoes what you were saying about how cities might be able to respond to these events but other places are less equipped.

howabout · 04/06/2017 19:00

Too upset for cogent debate. Reading through #ThingsThatLeaveBritainReeling in solidarity to cheer myself up.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 19:01

Also echoes what you were saying about how cities might be able to respond to these events but other places are less equipped.

The police have been saying this for several years. Repeatedly.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 19:02

One Love Gig just starting.
This generation's Live Aid?

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whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 19:05

The plant who claimed he loved his zero hours contract, looks like he has a few resources to fall back on. www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/photos/a.1628812247370716.1073741829.1617582701827004/1852082781710327/?type=3&theater

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 19:12

One Love looks lovely, the weather looks nice. Hope all they all get strength from it. Kudos to all who put it together. Take That are being lovely, must be a tough gig Smile We need it tonight.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/06/2017 19:31

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 19:32

Paul Waugh@paulwaugh

Iain Duncan Smith just admitted on @BBCRadio4 that Tory Govt's shift from Labour's control orders to TPIMs 'watered down' terror effort

Beth Rigby‏*@BethRigby* (SkyNews)
On police cuts, Former No 10 insider told me it had had knock on effect for neighbourhood policing/tackling extremism in communities

Difficult Questions.

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*

  1. There has been a suggestion that what is needed are new laws against terrorism.
  2. Since 2000, there have been many laws about terrorism.
  3. Terrorism Act 2000
Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 Terrorism Act 2006
  1. Counter-Terrorism Act 2008
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011 Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015
  1. Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014
Investigatory Powers Act 2016 Among others.
  1. There have also been about 100 statutory instruments since 2000 with "Terrorism" in title alone:
www.legislation.gov.uk/secondary?title=Terrorism&page=2
  1. Contained in this legislation are some of the widest, most general provisions in the history of criminal and also surveillance law.
  2. Without exaggeration: it is difficult to imagine what more laws about terrorism there could be.
  3. Since 2000, the UK has averaged a new terrorism statue every two years.
10. So many terrorism statutes since 2000 government has run out of names for them: Terrorism Act, Anti-Terrorism Act, Counter-Terrorism Act 11. It is easy for a politician do demand "tough" new laws, "crack-downs", "enough is enough", "something must be done"... 12. But government, and parliament, is running out of ways of legislating against terrorism. Every possible way seems to have been done. 13. Whatever the best response to terrorism, making yet more laws will not be the solution. /ends.

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Corbyn: "I will take whatever action incl full authority for police to use whatever force necessary to protect & save life as they did yday"
Corbyn: "you cannot protect public on the cheap, police & Sec services must get resources they need, not 20k cuts..."
Corbyn criticises PM over police cuts: "Theresa May was warned by the Police Federation but she accused them of 'crying wolf'"
Corbyn says "the election must go ahead" - but no senior politician suggested it should not, there was a petition though
Corbyn: heroism of Met police and British Transport Police should be commended...
Corbyn criticises President @realDonaldTrump reaction to London attacks for not having "sense or grace" re his attack on @MayorofLondon

This week's election campaigning is going to get aggressive.

Christopher Meyer‏*@SirSocks* (Former UK Ambassador to US)
World leaders call for unity. Trump tweets the complete opposite.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/04/world-leaders-call-for-unity-after-london-attack-trump-tweets-the-complete-opposite/?utm_term=.6da45af5b390
Let me be diplomatic. Trump makes me puke.

James Fallows‏*@JamesFallows*
From the former UK ambassador to US.
Not standard for diplo-speak.

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HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 19:36

Unspun recording was great. Douglas Carswell is the guest. Really wasn't sure what he'd say given the events but was actually very measured and spoke of the importance of not branding all muslims as islamists. Not sure why they'll use in the final edit.

HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 19:36

Not sure what they'll use even Confused

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 19:41

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
Corbyn: we need to have difficult conversations starting with Saudi Arabia & Gulf states funding and fuelling extremist ideology ...
Corbyn: "no good Theresa May suppressing a report into foreign funding of extremist groups - get serious about cutting funding of networks"
Well very punchy from Corbyn: more political than we had thought, attacking May over police numbers and not published foreign funding report

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woman12345 · 04/06/2017 19:45

JC has a useful habit of saying what everyone is thinking.

mathanxiety · 04/06/2017 19:49

Cities are more likely to be attractive targets for terrorists though. There is more impact there in terms of casualties and making citizens feel unsafe than out in the fields of Dorset.

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Thank you for the John Pilger article, Peregrina.

In particular, I am nodding at the description of Hillary Clinton as a war mongering Secretary of State, and the implication that NATO is the poodle of the State Department. I am no fan of Trump's - my children and I all have our Irish passports and are prepared to use them when (not if) the US ends up destroying itself out of sheer spite. We were all grudging Hillary voters. But warmongering is the absolutely correct term for her. I would add 'imperialist'.

To the Americans and British, Gadaffi's true crime was his iconoclastic independence and his plan to abandon the petrodollar, a pillar of American imperial power. He had audaciously planned to underwrite a common African currency backed by gold, establish an all-Africa bank and promote economic union among poor countries with prized resources. Whether or not this would have happened, the very notion was intolerable to the US as it prepared to "enter" Africa and bribe African governments with military "partnerships"

I suspect in similar fashion, Assad's true crime in Syria in the eyes of the US/UK alliance is to thumb his nose at the US, and the same goes for Iran. How many Syrian jihadists have been nurtured in the west in hopes of a repeat of the overthrow of Gadaffi? Do we honestly believe that the only elements of the Syrian opposition that the west supports are the political science graduates with lofty western ideals?

I have no doubt that the Brexit funding of the Constitutional Research Council (Richard Cook et al) that found its way to the DUP and on to ads in London came fro Saudi Arabia in hopes of separating the UK from a multinational organisation that is governed by the rule of law and that allows scrutiny of policy towards other regions. The idea that Saudi Arabia has tried to influence a vote in a foreign state is one that needs to be thoroughly examined.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 19:53

Brexit funding of the Constitutional Research Council (Richard Cook et al) that found its way to the DUP and on to ads in London came fro Saudi Arabia in hopes of separating the UK from a multinational organisation that is governed by the rule of law
math thanks for posting that, this funding thread is key.

mathanxiety · 04/06/2017 20:05

BiglyBadgers Sun 04-Jun-17 11:45:14
She is quite obsessed by trying to control the internet in a way that suggests she really has no idea at all how it works. Anyone who is serious about terrorism will use the plethora of easily available ways of getting around restrictions. It will however impact on ordinary people and their access to a diverse range of views and discussion. But hey, it provides a great bogeyman to distract from the conservatives own failings.

She is appealing to older people who do not understand the internet at all, and are uncomfortable with change in general. They are also the people most likely to subscribe to the Give-Them-A-Fair-Trial-And-Then-Hang-Them concept of justice.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 04/06/2017 20:21

I'm sure it wouldn't be very difficult for an IT-literate terrorist group to build their own completely secure messaging system run over a network of compromised machines (think NHS cyber-attack). In fact I think all the software components you would need to do this are in the public domain.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 20:32

www.facebook.com/NHSRoadshow/videos/214873182353702/