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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 13:01

Trump is at it again, his latest tweet

Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

What is he even trying to say with his small hands and smaller brain, that if we didn't have gun control like the US it wouldn't have made any difference?

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 13:04

Completely agree with what you just said whatwouldrondo the 1970s, for all their strife, were in fact an amazingly multi cultural time for ordinary kids, mostly in state schools in England.
You're right lala it looks like a daft tweet...... these times.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 13:09

Completely agree with what you just said whatwouldrondo *at 12.33pm

squoosh · 04/06/2017 13:11

Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

Amazing that he's had no comment to make on that horrific terrorist knife attack in Portland.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 13:16

Don't know if you've all seen this one: Amber Rudd shuts downs a speech on arms sales to Saudi at hustings on June3rd.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/06/2017 13:23

Peter R. Neumann @PeterRNeumann

Theresa May's statement made two main points: (1) countering Islamist extremism, not just terrorism; (2) cracking down on social media. 1/

On "Islamist extremism", she failed to spell out specific measures. So how is this different from what we've been hearing for 6 years? 2/

Remember, long discussed counter-extremism bill failed because impossible to define extremism in legally sound way. Has this changed now? 3/

Regarding the internet, much has changed since 2014. Big social media platforms have cracked down on jihadist accounts,with result that.. 4/

Most jihadists are now using end-to-end encrypted messenger platforms e.g. Telegram. This has not solved problem, just made it different 5/

Moreover, few people radicalised exclusively online. Blaming social media platforms is politically convenient but intellectually lazy 6/

In other words, May's statement may have sounded strong but contained very little that is actionable, different, or new. 7/

littlemissM92 · 04/06/2017 13:24

Please can someone inform me if I should of received my ballot paper that you can take to the polling station to vote .. I moved house a little while ago and did ring council and change all that and have filled out the forms for my and my partner but I'm abit concerned I haven't had anything through the post yet? Many thanks

Badders123 · 04/06/2017 13:25

I too feel that I now live a very divided nation....ive felt this way since June 24th 2016 and it's getting worse.
I no longer feel that everyone is basically decent and humane.
I think a lot of people in the UK - and i include people I know and work with - are xenophobic bigots who take the daily mail as gospel. They are hate fuelled morons

It's so so depressing
It's causing strife with dh because I want to leave and give my kids a better life and he doesn't
:(

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 04/06/2017 13:26

You don't need your polling card to vote but you will need to be on the electoral roll. Your local council website should explain how to check your registration status.

whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 13:44

woman When I went to university in the south, obviously a lot more white and middle class than it is now, an Indian girl moved into our university flat. During one of those 3am drunken meaning of life conversation two of my perfectly intelligent liberal friends (still my friends) who came from very white Home Counties towns admitted that they felt uncomfortable sharing a shower with her. I was completely nonplussed, the thought had never entered my head. I had endured those awful seventies run through showers at school with girls from all ethnicities without a thought. It does help explain those attitudes in people who are less thoughtful and liberal though....

citroenpresse · 04/06/2017 13:46

The LibDems in the coalition agreed to support air strikes in exchange for an enquiry into the foreign funding of Islamist groups. The contents have not been published and there was a focus on activities in Saudi Arabia. To whom the UK have granted an arms export license worth 3.5 billion pounds.

Tom Brake MP to Theresa May querying why there has been no explanation of non-publication: “You will agree with me that the protection of our country, of the British people, is the most important job of any government," he wrote. "Certainly, more important than potential trade deals with questionable regimes, which appear to be the only explanation for your reticence.

whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 13:58

Anyone in any doubt about the tenor of May's political spin, this is how she has condensed her speech for SM "Enough is enough. Read my response to last night’s brutal terror attack" Angry

HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 14:01

I'm off into town now to watch Unspun being recorded. Noticed a British transport police man at the station. My first thought wasn't, this is strange they're not normally here. It was 'oooh he's hot'. This is why terrorists will not defeat London 😂

sodablackcurrant · 04/06/2017 14:11

There's a difference between giving more Powers and giving more Resources. I didn't hear the R word in that speech Theresa. Did anyone else.

Charmageddon · 04/06/2017 14:13

Amber Rudd was more explicit on Peston re addressing the grooming & weaponising of young men - this is arguably one of the most important issues, I think.

Peregrina · 04/06/2017 14:23

But civ the people don't want to acknowledge we have dirty hands

Try reading this report by John Pilger, written before last night's events, for his understanding of just how dirty the UK and US's hands are.

missmoon · 04/06/2017 14:24

I heard Theresa May say we need longer / tougher sentences. But there is tons of research in criminology / sociology / economics of crime showing that longer sentences have a minimal effect on crime. The things that have the biggest impact are (a) visible policing, (b) more resources for policing more generally, (c) education and job opportunities for young people to stop first-time offenders, (d) rehabilitation. I don't see why terrorist-related offences should be any different. If anything, terrorists would probably care less about long sentences than common criminals.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 14:42

Yesterday there was mention of a poll due at 10pm tonight, does anyone know if it's still coming out?

lalalonglegs · 04/06/2017 15:00

Wasn't that the Sun on Sunday/ICM one which was

Con 45 (nc)
Lab 34 (+1)
LD 9 (+1)
UKIP 5 (nc)

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 15:08

thanks lala, I thought there had been one due out later? Probably a bit academic now.

It was 'oooh he's hot'. This is why terrorists will not defeat London
Grin have good time Hashi

Lots ofJohn Smeatons were about (baggage handler who took on Glasgow Airport attacker and about whom Billy Connolly did a short piece) last night near London Bridge: both the police and civilians.

London attack: Good Samaritans help with #SofaForLondon

Londoners are offering shelter and comfort to those affected by the terror attack on the capital by sharing the hashtag #SofaForLondon on social media
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Taxi drivers provided free rides from the cordons around London Bridge and Borough Market that left many cut off

Places of worship across many faiths joined pubs, hotels and businesses in providing food and shelter

Strangers reached out on social media offering a cuppa, chat or spare bed for the night

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40149058

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 15:20

I thought this was odd during TM's question time, when she made the statement she did about Diane Abbott.

It's being followed up:

We follow politics closely, have done for some years, and do not believe Diane Abbott has ever made any statements indicating that she wants to wipe the records of criminals and terrorists from the DNA Database

wirralinittogether.blog/2017/06/03/nobody-is-above-the-law-even-the-uk-prime-minister/

Lazybastet · 04/06/2017 16:03

I'm not entirely sure longer jail sentences will be a deterrent for a suicidal terrorist Hmm

Lico · 04/06/2017 16:21

Lazy; definitely not-quite the contrary-they will convert more kids who are first time offenders.
I think that the big issue whether in UK or other European countries are education and prison.

HesterThrale · 04/06/2017 16:25

woman I thought that was a bit off at the time... not really relevant to the question... not quite right, like the zero hours contract questioner, who was apparently a 'plant'.

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 16:48

School kids cleaning their own classrooms, parents asked to contribute to make up funding shortfall and shorter school days, and this is just the start.
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/04/uk-schools-taking-desperate-measures-as-funding-crisis-hits

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