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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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Charmageddon · 04/06/2017 11:11

Spot on in what exactly?

As in doing her job as PM, regardless of election.

She gave a response which was measured, angry (not love will conquer all) & clearly outlined areas that needed to be addressed - this is for whoever is the next PM to enact.

She named the problem explicitly and said that difficult conversations had to be had - again, relevant and necessary for whoever the next PM may be.

The most senior politician explicitly naming Islamist extremists as the problem is hugely important - in contrast to the leaders debate shambles, where Paul Nuttal said 'Islamist extremists' & Caroline Lucas rephrased it as 'he suggested that these extremists were representative of Islam' (which he didn't) and the rest jumped on him for something he didn't say in a valiant effort to showcase their 'tolerance'.

(Fwiw I think Nuttal is a cock, and he is often complicit in trying to stir up bad feeling & conflict - but in this instance he was correct & named it properly).

CivQueen · 04/06/2017 11:13

Maybe if she got a bit angrier instead of protecting her pockets we might have a chance of slowing the tide of extremism.

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Charmageddon · 04/06/2017 11:15

Well done CivQueen, you're doing a good job getting that pic across the threads.
👏 👏

HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 11:16

We have a huge number of laws. Do we need more? We aren't implementing the ones we currently have.

We need the resources to apply our current laws first, not new ones. It's not our laws that are failing Angry

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:16

What a strange tweet, woman. The slightly embarrassed tone makes it sound almost like a spoof (especially since the user name is annakey - ie anarchy...).

Sigh. Exactly. This is typical of the mail comments section.

If you don't follow I recommend @DMReporter

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CivQueen · 04/06/2017 11:17

I would say under the circumstances it's important to show it.

Especially with May spouting off about being 'too tolerant of extremism'.

What kind of crap could she invite with that. Ordinary muslims could face back lash.

It's not them that are the problem. May caring more about profits and oil than the safety of her people is.

HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 11:20

But civ the people don't want to acknowledge we have dirty hands Sad

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:22

I don't disagree that difficult questions need answering.

In that, we also need to have the option on the table that certain responses that are attractive politically to some are also dangerous and counterproductive.

This is what bothers me. Is ideologically and politically led rather than led by the most effective option.

This is question that is rule 1 of managing a situation. You don't come up with the methods of dealing with things first. You work out what the key problems really are, and they are often very different to you preconceived ideas. It's wrong way round to have measures first and then find out if they work once in place.

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Charmageddon · 04/06/2017 11:28

This is question that is rule 1 of managing a situation. You don't come up with the methods of dealing with things first. You work out what the key problems really are, and they are often very different to you preconceived ideas. It's wrong way round to have measures first and then find out if they work once in place.

To be fair Red, I think this has been under scrutiny since WM attack - this is the 3rd attack in 3 months, the second to involve a vehicle.

I am less suspicious or wary of knee jerk than I would usually be, because I think it was already very much on the table following WM.

squoosh · 04/06/2017 11:32

I found TM's speech quite chilling. She seems to be hinting very heavily at curtailing civil liberties (she obviously wants to be able to see what people are doing online, wants to give police extended powers etc).

Agree. It sounded like electioneering to me. She loves leaping on any opportunity to suggest greater govt control over the Internet.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:42

Lord Ashcroft @ lordashcroft
Jeremy Corbyn needs to get to Raqqa, Syria with a bunch of flowers and a box of chocolates to discuss the situation...

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Lico · 04/06/2017 11:43

Just and Hash: I so agree.

Reverse the cuts; give enough resources to apply current laws.
Not wall papering over cracks to lull the public in a false sense of security and not attempt to curtail civil liberties.

BiglyBadgers · 04/06/2017 11:45

She is quite obsessed by trying to control the internet in a way that suggests she really has no idea at all how it works. Anyone who is serious about terrorism will use the plethora of easily available ways of getting around restrictions. It will however impact on ordinary people and their access to a diverse range of views and discussion. But hey, it provides a great bogeyman to distract from the conservatives own failings.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:47

Rupert Myers @ rupertmyers
"Terrrorists hate our freedom... we must not trade it away" well said @timfarron

Tory's comment on Tim Farron interview on BBC news.

Does strike me that the no campaigning is somewhat in name only.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:49

BBC just interviewed Yvette Cooper after Farron and now we are onto IDS...

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:54

How does May intend to stop a rogue country who refuses to sign international agreement from hosting dodgy sites? And how does she intend to deal with VPN issues? Are we looking at the Great British firewall? Like China. And Russia. Who have failed in their efforts to block stuff.

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ElenaGreco123 · 04/06/2017 11:55

She is quite obsessed by trying to control the internet in a way that suggests she really has no idea at all how it works.

Anyone who saw the IT crowd knows that the internet is kept in a box by the Elders of the internet, but then Jen broke it. Duh.

BiglyBadgers · 04/06/2017 12:00

Elena Grin

HashiAsLarry · 04/06/2017 12:06

@robdelaney
Since May's campaigning on attack I'll just say solution to homegrown terror must be built on education & mental health care. No quick fix.
I know it's fun to pretend there's a magic target you could hit with a missile which would solve, but that target doesn't exist.

Yes that's Rob Delaney, off the show Catastrophe. Speaking more sense than our pm.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 12:10

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia?CMP=share_btn_
Sensitive' UK terror funding inquiry may never be published

#difficult questions.

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prettybird · 04/06/2017 12:13

I think May can afford to "suspend campaigning" for a day and not dig any more holes for herself because today will be one long Party Political Broadcast for her Hmm She can read written statements which include her wish list of citizen control , not answer question a and look "strong and stable" Hmm

No awkward questions direct to her today about the reduction in police numbers, the planned reduction in army personnel, the manpower required to monitor the x,000 "people of interest" let alone encouraging even more to be added to the list, her support of the Saudi regime and by extension, Wahhabist Islam.

And that's even before getting into our direct involvement in the Middle East or the "othering" of a growing underclass that her Conservative government is not just presiding over but encouraging.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 12:26

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
One Tory activists has just called Theresa May's remarks on Downing Street "very dangerous". "PPl don't like authoritarian leaders"... (1/2)
(2/2) They compared it to John Major's speech saying we should be a bit less tolerant as a society - which went down badly at the time

Interesting...

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whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 12:33

I too agree with Delaney more than the PM, and he makes me laugh instead of cry.

This is one of the areas, and they include education and mental health, where I wish that the professionals / experts led on policy, not the politicians.

Time and again when there were investigations into the racial tensions that sparked unrest at various times in the last forty years in northern cities, and indeed provides the fertile ground for recruiting terrorists, education has been identified as a key factor. When I was growing up in what was generally a peaceful multi racial society we mixed with other Muslim children, as well as those that were the products of successive waves of immigration from Ireland and Eastern Europe too. We had debates together, carried out charitable activities together, including a programme where we visited young women taken out of school at 16 to marry or help in the home. We understood each other's communities and it was heartbreaking to see that breakdown into division and ultimately violence.

HesterThrale · 04/06/2017 12:50

We seem so divided as a nation in so many ways. For the last year. Collective and personal anxiety is exhausting, corroding and eventually divisive, as people cast around for answers.

I don't know the solution, although previous posters' calls for proper funding of education, health, probation, police and mental health services seem very sensible and would after time have an effect.
In the meantime, leaders need to be communicating strong messages of unity, not sowing seeds of fear and suspicion.

HesterThrale · 04/06/2017 12:51

We seem so divided as a nation in so many ways. For the last year. Collective and personal anxiety is exhausting, corroding and eventually divisive, as people cast around for answers.

I don't know the solution, although previous posters' calls for proper funding of education, health, probation, police and mental health services seem very sensible and would after time have an effect.
In the meantime, leaders need to be communicating strong messages of unity, not sowing seeds of fear and suspicion.

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