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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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prettybird · 04/06/2017 10:03

Re campaigning: someone on the BBC was pointing out that when the Grand Hotel was bombed overnight, taking out half the Cabinet, Thatcher still insisted that the Conservative Party Conference start on time at 9.30.

Heaven knows, I am not a Thatcher supporter, but on this she was right.

Attacks like this are deliberately attacking our democratic processes. The best respect to victims and those injured is to not give in to them and let them undermine democracy. Stopping campaigning is giving in.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:03

You can only assume there was a specific threat or that Northern Cities have woken up to the fact that it could be them...

That's the public response. All our cities have good plans and decent response ability. The police aren't worried about them.

Keep going with that thinking though.

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woman12345 · 04/06/2017 10:18

I also think a lot of fear is driven by the 'bot army' online.
Fortunately I am useless at twitter and Facebook, so I don't really know, but if Trump is using them rather than writing essays on his thoughts, I presume they can be used for different and less benevolent purposes.

I think that's bloody impressive absolutely. Phenomenal work by police and emergency services. So proud of them today.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:24

Twitter turns into a cesspit during events like this. Makes Trump look like a 14 year old Charlotte Church. But its dead useful and helpful too though.

Ariana Grande's agent Scooter Braun says 'One Love Manchester' benefit concert will not only continue but will do so with greater purpose

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Lico · 04/06/2017 10:30

I agree with Davies for once. These murderers want to disrupt democracy. Cancelling the elections would make these murderers winners.

River Thames was shut down for 4 hours yesterday . Terrorists could easily travel up and inflict hell of a massacre for example The London Eye. My daughter kayaks most weekends on the Thames; she tells me of all the tourists and ordinary Londoners relaxing all along the river banks.

Moreover , nobody is mentioning the planes. We live beneath the flight path to Heathrow . One plane every 30 seconds: is this safe having planes flying over London?

I live nearby Vauxhall and saw the helicopter flying into the big tower; there is a heliport in Battersea. I knew the pilot who died.

I am afraid seeing on a daily basis how amateurish security is deployed
in museums, shops etc does not inspire much confidence.

2015 articles

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

www.ft.com/content/04d0cc84-8f72-11e5-8be4-3506bf20cc2b

On the other hand:

m.ndtv.com/world-news/senior-officer-says-london-police-could-handle-paris-style-attack-1250008

whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 10:36

As I recalled Trump attended a provisional IRA fundraiser just months before the Canary Wharf bomb www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/09/donald-trump-ireland-sinn-fein-terrorism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

"On his way to the New York fundraiser a few months earlier, Trump would
have seen a group of demonstrators protesting ongoing IRA violence, including victims of the 1993 Shankill bomb massacre in which 10 people died.

There were also protests from the relatives of Catholics who had been shot, beaten and exiled by the IRA even after the organisation declared its first ceasefire on 31 August 1994."

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 10:38

Ariana Grande's agent Scooter Braun says 'One Love Manchester' benefit concert will not only continue but will do so with greater purpose
Great news.
And that the football was enjoyed by so many in Cardiff last night.

What was it that FDR said about fear?

He was also pretty good at getting people into work and shutting down the alt right, as I remember ( although I'm not quite that old Grin)

whatwouldrondo · 04/06/2017 10:38

China has many "like factories", thousands and thousands of phones that can be your followers, posters or whatever, for a price

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:39

^I am afraid seeing on a daily basis how amateurish security is deployed
in museums, shops etc does not inspire much confidence.^

Would you prefer a police state?

And even then I doubt it would stop it because there are so many potential targets. Terrorism would just evolve.

May is doing a speech. It's Churchillian. Talking international agreements for online. I hope this includes the Daily Mail comments section.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:42

On the whole speech seems to be right tone. But I worry about what she has planned for internet too. Irony that it needs international agreement.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:43

Ukip are refusing to stop Election Campaign as 'its what the terrorists want'

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Lico · 04/06/2017 10:46

And of course we also have the 10 fire stations closed down by Boris Johnson to make way for luxury flats. One of them , Westminster Fire Station was the first one attending the helicopter crash in Vauxhall

labourwestminster.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/closure-of-westminster-fire-station-nothing-is-more-important-than-the-lives-and-welfare-of-our-residents/

leftfootforward.org/2015/11/a-year-on-the-consequences-of-boris-johnsons-fire-station-closures-are-clear/

CivQueen · 04/06/2017 10:51

I missed some of the speech but came in about halfway through a sentence along the lines of 'this won't be stopped by a long antiterrorism campaign?

What did she mean by that?

Also slightly worried about the references to the internet.

Charmageddon · 04/06/2017 10:53

I think TM was spot on.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:54

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
Tories have suspended nat elxn campaign, but on steps of No.10 Theresa May sets out 4-point plan to tackle Islamist terrorism

I'm glad someone is saying this.

Also May talking about longer sentences - some suggestion this is code for internment.

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PedaloBar · 04/06/2017 10:55

I thought she covering her back on the police cuts she presided over tbh.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 10:58

Spot on in what exactly? The tone will be popular. It depends on exactly what she intends and what possible consequences (and side effects) it entails.

Once again this is an empty 'plan' of sound bites that appeal to popularism.

What I want is something that actually works... Without marginalising

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Lico · 04/06/2017 11:00

Red:

Nothing to do with police state but I expect professionalism to save the public' lives not a vague attempt to be seen to be doing something .

What I mean by the amateurish is the staff hastily recruited and the fashion in which checking is carried out. One can tell that the new recruits do not have much training

I went to see the Michael Angelo exhibition at the NG two days ago.
The security had a quick peep in hand bags and that was that. Nothing at the back entrance!

Same at the V&A . However the British museum was fine : front and back of the building

lalalonglegs · 04/06/2017 11:01

I didn't hear the speech, I just read a summary on the Guardian website. I have to say that, on the basis of that, I found TM's speech quite chilling. She seems to be hinting very heavily at curtailing civil liberties (she obviously wants to be able to see what people are doing online, wants to give police extended powers etc).

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 11:01

All I say is be careful of what the right wing will try and introduce because of the recent attacks

Increased internet state controlled security allowing you to only see what they want you to see, if they are worried about the spreading of hate I'd have thought the Mail and Sun or Britain First and BNP among the first to be targetted (I doubt it)

The travel ban of certain religious groups

Wont be long till internment starts being mentioned more and more, terror laws without judicial oversight can be abused by people with selfish agendas

Stop cutting funding to the services that have been proved to be helpful in these situations

Childrens Services
Mental Health provision
Youth Services/Centres
Community led projects
Education
Social Care
Police Force
Fire Service
NHS
Armed Forces

Weve had 7 years of this government cutting all of the services, cutting peoples money down to the bare minimum, selling off publicly owned services, while telling us we need to live within our means, those services need paying for because how many more people is it within our means to lose while our country is at a crisis point for no other reason than ideology, theirs and hours

Flowers for all those that may be affected by last nights news

woman12345 · 04/06/2017 11:02

Sad this just came up on the lovely Faisal Islam's twitter feed.

@annakey06 11m11 minutes ago
@faisalislam you know I find it offensive that you, with your surname, are reporting on Islamic terrorism, sorry but I'm sick of Islam!

Faisal Islam‏Verified account
@faisalislam
Replying to @annakey06
each to their own Anna, but you're quite wrong.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/06/2017 11:03

*ours

lalalonglegs · 04/06/2017 11:08

What a strange tweet, woman. The slightly embarrassed tone makes it sound almost like a spoof (especially since the user name is annakey - ie anarchy...).

lalalonglegs · 04/06/2017 11:08

Faisal gave the perfect response.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2017 11:10

I'm worried.

This is kneejerky.

We have a huge number of laws. Do we need more? We aren't implementing the ones we currently have.

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