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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 22:29

What worries me is what will happen if ths nutjob hard brexitters keep their seats and the moderate remainers lose theirs. We could conceivably be in a worse position on the 9th June.

Isn't this TM's argument - vote for me and I'll surround myself with Tory remainers who'll mitigate the Redwoods and Bones. But how would she ensure that? She could end up with even more Redwoods and Bones.

BestIsWest · 03/06/2017 22:29

Has something happened on London Bridge?

Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 22:31

I used to follow the Labour MP of my old constituency on twitter. I showed the now infamous LSE article on Corbyn's universal and disproportionate coverage in the U.K. media. He basically tried to come up with his own figures on that and when I asked the reference, he couldn't produce it and started patronising blabbering. I was joined by quite a few of his followers within minutes and that is when he blocked me. Grin
I really think we need to follow the money trail if we want to follow where the Tory-lite Labour has come from.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:32

Rumours of a car ploughing into 15-20 people and then a stabbing.

Nothing confirmed.

Pictures of London Bridge seem to suggest there is an incident of some sort. Lots of police.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:33

Mike Smithson‏*@MSmithsonPB*

Before turnout weighting the CON lead with ICM was 2%

People tweeting that there are 'bodies everywhere' on London Bridge and suggesting gun shots heard.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:34

BBC now saying that Vehicle has hit pedestrians.

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prettybird · 03/06/2017 22:37

It was nearly 38 years ago Blush but I made a special trip home to Glasgow from Uni to vote as I thought my (Labour) vote would have more value there than in St Andrews.

Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 22:37

Fuck. Another one It looks like.

Killdora · 03/06/2017 22:38

Oh ffs Sad

whatwouldrondo · 03/06/2017 22:38

Piglet Not sure how that research copes with the fact that students will be registered in two seats, one, the home seat, (sadly) statistically will likely to be Tory or a Tory / Libdem marginal. The other, where they are studying, will be more likely to be Libdem/ Tory marginal or city centre Labour. I agree with Red this must be a very hard one to pin down for pollsters. Where there is a scent to get a Tory out that is a powerful incentive to either be there or get a postal vote. Don't underestimate how incensed the student vote is by Brexit, and politics in general.

Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 22:39

Someone, some really courageous one like Gina Miller, should take Tories to court for making us this vulnerable to terror attacks despite dire warnings.

whatwouldrondo · 03/06/2017 22:39

Oh no

Lico · 03/06/2017 22:42

Oh, no , not another one.

HashiAsLarry · 03/06/2017 22:42

Not again Sad

whatwouldrondo · 03/06/2017 22:42

Strange time to hit London Bridge, the City is dead on a Saturday night.....

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:42

Lady on BBC News saying shes at the seen was talking to a woman badly injured in French. She was with 2 other people, but they are no where to be seen. Police checking the Thames.

Not sounding good at all.

I suspect that's it for this Election Campaign now...
(Probably no more polls until Weds night. Which is probably a good thing).

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:44

Strange time to hit London Bridge, the City is dead on a Saturday night.....

BBC saying its busy with tourists.

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Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 22:44

I was thinking more Macron than Blair valentine, but remind me how many elections Blair won?

I hope I'm worrying uneccessarily about the remainer MPs, but they seem to be more threatened than the hard brexitters. I don't think for one minute this is a reason to vote Conservative (unless you have a remain MP that you like) it's more an indictment of T Mays stupidity in calling an election at this time. It's basically "vote for me so I can surround myself with safe seat brexitters whilst we boot out the sensibles". That's what scares me!

Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 22:47
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Bearbehind · 03/06/2017 22:49

I suspect that's it for this Election Campaign now...

I think that is a bit premature.

There's very little information so far.

Everything will be on high alert right now.

Accidents do happen.

Hopefully this isn't another attack.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:49

Woman on the bridge turns out to be a BBC reporter there by chance.
She has not reported anything about a stabbing.

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lalalonglegs · 03/06/2017 22:50

Bloody hell - this is hard to take in. Someone on BBC is saying an arrest has been made.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 22:51

BBC woman saying that a man has been arrested.

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missmoon · 03/06/2017 22:53

Awful :(

WeakAndUnstable · 03/06/2017 22:58

Strange time to hit London Bridge, the City is dead on a Saturday night.....

This is my old homeland (lived within a few hundred metres for years). It's round the corner from Hays Galleria and will be absolutely heaving with southbank tourists and locals alike. Was outside the Barrowboy pub apparently.