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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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BluePeppers · 03/06/2017 20:51

Sorry but atm i dont care if Labour can do better in 5 years time.
In 5 years time, that will be the end of the 2 years negociations for brexit plus the 3 years of negociations for a possible agreement with the EU.
In 5 years years, what we will have is to deal with whatever crap TM would have given us with Brexit (which could well be no deal at all, no nhs etc etc)

The risk of being in an untenable position is, imo, too big to take.
I would take anyone other TM (or one of his associates who thinks that only a hard brexit will do).

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 20:52

I'll be happy in the German GE later this year, regardless of whether the CDU or SPD wins

That's because the CDU, like other W European conservative parties, is nowhere near as hard right as the Uk Tories.
They fully support the post-WW2 ideals of a strong welfare state and good public services

The Labour manifesto would be very mainstream for a European Social Democrat party

So, we have 2 good choices - and whoever wins will then lead a coalition representing over 50% of the population.
Sometimes there is a "Grand Coalition" when they join together with Greens & Liberals to represent the vast majority.

Cooperation and agreement on basic principles for a humane society, in a more civilized atmosphere where the media doesn't demonise the vulnerable as scroungers - that aspect of the media is another peculiarly nasty US and British phenomenon.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 20:53

I think some consideration should be taken to which paper the survation poll is in.

The cynic in me would suggest it is to galvanise the Tory vote.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:01

Shocking that Tory candidate Adam Holloway is being helped by a leading French fascist politician.Shock
I'd have thought Tory Centrall office would forbid that.

Is it against their party rules, or is fascist help acceptable now for the Tories ?

We saw Farage campaigning with the fascists, but that was UKIP and they are finished now anyway.

This is the party of government being helped by a fascist leader to get elected Shock

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:04

Oh, now I see the getout clause: it's her stooge, not the leader herself

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 21:04

Is it against their party rules, or is fascist help acceptable^ now for the Tories ?

Is it against party rules for McDonnell to conduct a speech in the past month in front of the Communist and Ba'ath flags?

Neither is right.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:12

We keep being told how Labour are beyond the pale for this
So Tories are just as bad with dodgy friends
And the Tories are our current - and probably our next - govt, not just an opposition party.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 21:13

Britain Elects‏*@britainelects*
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (+1)
LAB: 36% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 4% (-1)

(via ORB / 31 May - 01 Jun)

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 21:14

ORB has Tories on 9 point lead. Tories up 1 and Labour down 2 on last poll they did.

Westministenders: Election Mayhem
PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 21:15

Ha cross posts Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/06/2017 21:20
Grin

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The people of Liverpool pushing EDL back to the train station whilst the Benny Hill theme tune plays on a PA.

video by David Wood

mobile.twitter.com/IndpndtLiv/status/871055139536240641/video/1

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 21:23

@faisalislam
Blimey.
Survation / MAil on Sunday Poll conducted this morning (ie after QT)

Blimey too!

I'd have thought Tory Centrall office would forbid that.

Think they've got quite a lot going on atm. Grin Not the Saturday night they were expecting before election day.

I saw an annotated tory poster in Warwick. Home of tory Nick Harrington who tweeted this during the Eurovision song contest:

#Eurovision2017. Thanks Ireland. You can keep your f gypsies,” Mr Harrington said in the tweet.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 21:23

TSE‏*@TSEofPB*

New @ICMResearch poll for The Sun on Sunday
Con 45 (nc) Lab 34 (+1) LD 9 (+1) UKIP 5 (nc)

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:24

May must be expecting serious budget problems to be contemplating cutting the military like this.

At this rate, UK armed forces will end up being Trident plus half a dozen soldiers in a Landrover.

Army top brass prepare to cut troop numbers by over 20,000 after Tories drop pledge to keep fighting force at target of 82,000

"Comes after damning US report criticised 'gutting' of UK's defence capabilities
Conservative's manifesto dropped committement to maintain 82,000 personnel"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4568632/Army-numbers-slashed-thousands.html

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 21:27

Labour and the Conservatives were on level pegging at 25%, in recent Scottish poll. prettybird it's still pretty odd what's going on in Scotland. At least tories are no longer second.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 21:29

Rob Ford‏*@robfordmancs*

75% youth turnout in that Survation poll - still very, very high but not quite as implausible as 82%

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 21:29

ICM poll out. Tories 11 point lead.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 21:31

Trident plus half a dozen soldiers in a Landrover
How many countries in affluent western Europe have teachers buying their own equipment, social workers and MH nurses subsidising impoverished clients and mums buying equipment for soldier sons?

Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 21:33

I'm with Piglet and Charmageddon on this, Corbyn is still a disaster area in my eyes. I am very happy that he's doing better than expected and that we hopefully won't end up with a total labour wipeout but really, this is down to a disastrous campaign on the part of the Cons rather than a brilliant labour effort. This is the weakest Tory party we have seen in a long time with a terrible manifesto and appalling track record. Labour should be absolutely anhilating them!
I don't think Corbyn has performed particularly well in debates and interviews, he's just more personable than May, which is not exactly hard.

Just imagine how powerful labour would be right now if they had a proper leader with charisma and mass appeal.

MsHooliesCardigan · 03/06/2017 21:36

I'm finding this absolutely fascinating. When TM called the election, I thought it was going to be completely tedious waiting 6 weeks for a foregone conclusion. I'm sure the Tories will win but at least JC has given TM a run for her money.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 21:38

General Election: Conservative lead over Labour cut to just one point, new poll finds
Survation for The Mail on Sunday put the two main parties virtually neck and neck, with the Tories on 40 per cent and Labour on 39 per cent.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 21:40

woman12345

Others tonight have 9 11 and 12 point lead to Tories.

The Survation poll still relies on a very very high young turnout.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:41

bolshy The manifesto boosted Labour a lot, no more Tory-lite, a real alternative
If that been combined with a dynamic, competent young leader without a past, he/she would be PM on 9 June after this incompetent Maybot shambles.
As it is, we'll probably have a damaged May

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 21:42

Survation:

CON: 40% (-6)
LAB: 39% (+5)
LDEM: 8% (-)
UKIP: 5% (+2)