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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 17:32

How the polls have moved.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 03/06/2017 17:32

... but at least I won't be tempted to stay up all night.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 17:36

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I do believe May wouldn't be in the pickle she is now if she'd shown just the tiniest bit of respect to the 48% who voted Remain. #GE2017

A lot of truth in this.

Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 17:38

woman
I am not going to stay up all night. It will be too hard or may be we will make a picnic of it in the living room.

squoosh · 03/06/2017 17:38

Tory gossips have also raised questions over Liz Truss, the embattled Justice Secretary, and Liam Fox, < hooray ! > the International Trade – both little deployed in high-profile campaign events.

I hope so. Two more incompetent arseholes you'd be hard pushed to find.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 17:38

Me too, Eeeeeowwwfftz. Be disappointed, I mean. I will stay up even though it's been masochistic for last 4 big election nights (inc Trump). Never learn.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 17:39

How the polls have moved

Hoping US resistors are taking succour from all this. A modest May win is a victory for us. And the start of a gear change.

She and the brexit vote have educated a whole generation in economics, politics,polls, data, marketing and activism in a way no one could have thought possible on June24th. Me included.

She can take away whatever she will but she can't take away that knowledge and organisation.

squoosh · 03/06/2017 17:40

I agree Edith. Maybe now she'll stop wittering on about having the wholehearted support of the entire nation for her Brexit (non) plans.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 17:41

Leeds North West covers a big student area. So, asking them looks like a big shift to Labour but will they vote? Will they still be there to vote?

Not only a case of if they will vote it's where they are registered.

My friends 2 DC are registered at home in a very safe Tory seat. Both at different unis in Labour marginals. Both vote Labour.

Their vote will have absolutely no impact where they are. It may if they voted where they are at uni.

Also just because a uni is in a specific area it doesn't mean the students are there.

Coventry for example has two unis Warwick and Coventry. There is a significant number live in Leamington Spa and Kenilworth. Both of which are Tory seats. Even the area the uni is in could go Tory.

Cov uni students also live all over the city. 2 of the cities seats could turn Tory.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 17:42

Some discuss about that "poor student on ZHC" who posed that question to Corbyn:

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BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 17:47

I think quite a lot of students will already have gone home for the summer, so would expect most to vote in their home constituencies rather then university ones. At the uni DH works it is only a few hanging around for the very last of the exams still on campus.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 17:49

The Scottish subsample of Opinium still showing CON in 2nd place, LAB a poor 3rd:
SNP 47%
CON31%
LAB19%

We need the Scottish Survation poll < drums fingers >

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 17:49

Yep, the desperation is tangible. Time to activate 'remainers Zen'. Grin
Brown spent donkeys years with Smith trying to convince the City to vote labour, and JC's got it in the bag. Watch and wait.

WeakAndUnstable · 03/06/2017 17:50
Gin
Valentine2 · 03/06/2017 17:55

Ewwww BigChoc!
I did comment on that student. He just looked rather stupid when Corbyn was answering his question like a teacher explaining the answer patiently to a daft question from a student. Grin

lalalonglegs · 03/06/2017 18:04

Yes, vindicated! I had major suspicions about that QT student Smile. He looked like the arrogant, ex-public schoolboy twat who was stunned that Corbyn didn't burst into tears when he shot his amaaaaazing question at him.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 18:07

Students I know in Leeds have all been automatically registered to vote there. Quite a few do hang around or flit back and forth if have jobs they want to hang on to. But, yes, the student vote may not be that influential. How nice to live in a Lib Dem/Lab constituency though.

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 18:15

Is it the uni they automatically registers them Swedish? How do they do that? I might get DH to push for his uni to do it for the next elections.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 18:16

ComRes results. Basically no change.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 18:17

He looked like the arrogant, ex-public schoolboy twat who was stunned that Corbyn didn't burst into tears when he shot his amaaaaazing question at him.

Hmm
prettybird · 03/06/2017 18:19

We do need a Scottish Survation poll - although I'm not sure it will show the extent of tactical voting. Hmm

I can envisage Scotland becoming a Labour free zone Shock - which actually doesn't reflect its political heart. Nor would c10 Conservative MPs. I've seen that YouGov haven't mentioned Edinburgh South as a Labour loss (or even Lean) yet I have seen the anti-SNP cohort on Scotsnet applaud a former Labour voter, who actually likes Ian Murray and thinks he's been a good MP, as she used her postal vote to vote Tory Confused at least, I presume she did as she'd felt guilty "having done the deed" because she couldn't countenance voting Labour as she thought Corbyn would give in to NS about a 2nd Indyref.

I genuinely don't understand that mindset. An unfettered Conservative government will could cause unimaginable great damage to the whole of the UK - yet if someone doesn't want Scotland to be independent, then they can always vote No. Or are they scared that people might vote Yes? Confused

As an aside, despite the fact that FPTP has benefitted the SNP, they are still in favour of a PR based system. Personally, I don't like the STV system (prefer the d'Hondt system - particularly the hybrid one used at Holyrood) but it would be better than FPTP.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 18:22

It appears to be Bigly. I did read on here that a few universities were doing it now. Good idea, I think.

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 18:35

Oh, that's interesting. I might nudge DH to look into it at work.

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 18:37

By the way, does anyone know what is going on with Tories and income tax? Fallon was on this morning saying they won't raise income tax, but May is being all coy about it. Very mysterious. Was Fallon going off message do you think?

Bearbehind · 03/06/2017 18:46

Didn't Fallon say they wouldn't raise income tax for the highest earners?

I thought that was why May was being coy on it because she won't guarantee the same for low and middle incomes.