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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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howabout · 02/06/2017 12:50

Sqoosh you clearly need to google Annunziata, JRM's even more impressive sister. DC advised her to change her name to Nancy but she demurred and failed to get elected, so perhaps hence Mary for JRM jnr.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 12:50

What's the policy behind that ?
Solidarity with Maybot ?

I don't know of any other job application where you are told not to show up to interviews Confused

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 12:51

Michael Deacon‏*@MichaelPDeacon* (Torygraph!)
Theresa May says that, if Corbyn is PM, Brexit will be a disaster. I had a question about that. Here's how I got on

Westministenders – 10 days to go
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woman12345 · 02/06/2017 12:53

Very believable because it's happening all over.
@bloonface
Through the grapevine: grassroots Tory activists have had nothing from CCHQ for over a week. Activists trying to volunteer getting no reply.

howabout · 02/06/2017 12:54

Bigchoc agreed, If TM had promised end austerity and spend on the prospect of the £350m it would be a slam dunk by now.

Her Fear with brief tease of future hope on Brexit rang very hollow yesterday.

Paul Mason on message and on fire on the DP just now. Toby Young reminding me what a dopey Tory he really is.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/06/2017 12:57

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twofingerstoEverything · 02/06/2017 12:57

What will Brexit cost? What will be the impact?

I have been asking this since last June. What will the extra staffing cost? The legal advice? The negotiators? Never mind the impact that will be seen after an actual deal is done (or we crash out with no deal). It might be difficult to estimate long term cost to the economy, but it must be possible to estimate short term legal, admin, other costs of the actual negotiations.

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 12:58

If TM had promised end austerity and spend on the prospect of the £350m it would be a slam dunk by now.

Absolutely.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/06/2017 12:58

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twofingerstoEverything · 02/06/2017 13:00

Peregrina Someone has even started a facebook page to log incidents where Tories are refusing to attend hustings.
Would you happen to know the name of that FB page? I'd like to add my own MP's name. He couldn't attend a hustings because he had to 'to go church'.

Charmageddon · 02/06/2017 13:04

Tim Farron on MN webchat now...

Zxyzoey31 · 02/06/2017 13:04

I know the discussion has moved on but re CB and high earners. It was always paid to the mother because some men, even high earners (!), did not pass on their earnings to their family which left mothers and children in very difficult circs. That sort of financial abuse.

Also there is the psychological element of it being universal so that everybody pays in and everybody gets something out. That whole idea that everybody is part of the same system. It was considered important. This has been eroded by lifting the tax threshold as well as taking away the universal nature of some benefits.

HashiAsLarry · 02/06/2017 13:05

Very believable because it's happening all over. Someone has even started a facebook page to log incidents where Tories are refusing to attend hustings.
Our Tory has too but this isn't uncommon for him. Apparently one of the local ones has, and that's uncommon for that area.

woman12345 · 02/06/2017 13:06

thanks howabout Mason was great to watch.
Privatised NHS on mn
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2944727-Apparently-if-the-NHS-is-privatised-we-wont-have-to-pay-for-medicine?trending=1

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 13:11

The facebook page is called HustingsFlunkers June2017
I see it's a closed group, so I imagine that means you can't access it? Or does it? I am not too au fait with facebook.

I am a member of the group so if you let me know their names and constituencies I can add them.

squoosh · 02/06/2017 13:18

Sqoosh you clearly need to google Annunziata, JRM's even more impressive sister.

Annunziata. That's one heck of a moniker. I'm assuming they're a ye olde Catholic family with priest holes aplenty. The Pius in one of his son's names did make me wonder.

squoosh · 02/06/2017 13:20

I mean who wouldn't have Elton and Oxbridge mapped out for the sons and heirs and something else entirely for the mere daughter.....

What more would the dear girl need. A grounding in music, dance, needlework, and conversational French is all she'll need while she awaits an advantageous match!

howabout · 02/06/2017 13:21

mother if rEU economies sort themselves out then why on Earth would anyone bother crossing the Channel to dreary old Blighty? I am not that old and I remember net emigration being the preoccupation.

The more rEU grows the more potential consumers the UK has in its biggest export market. This is what will even out the trade deficit - Germany cannot run much more of a surplus than it currently does as they are already at productive full capacity. They need to be giving jobs to France, Italy, Spain, Greece et al.

LurkingHusband · 02/06/2017 13:24

Annunziata. That's one heck of a moniker.

And a bit foreign to boot ...

lalalonglegs · 02/06/2017 13:25

Surprisingly - given airs and graces - not an old county family at all. JRM's father was journalist and editor of Times so practically trade. He bought the family seat, I believe, and had a lifetime peerage. Maybe the money and, um, affectations came from his mother's side?

Charmageddon · 02/06/2017 13:31

Tim Farron is really good - he's answered your question Peregrina.

howabout · 02/06/2017 13:35

According to wiki Rees-Mogg comes from Somerset coal mining dynasty. Going all a bit Poldark now Blush

whatwouldrondo · 02/06/2017 13:40

Zac didn't turn up to hustings last night either. Instead it was our pompous puffed up deputy minister for the eighteenth century Leader of the Council who Jon Craig introduced as Twickenham's Amber Rudd....

whatwouldrondo · 02/06/2017 13:45

howabout You just conjured the image of JRM topless with a scythe, it's one that won't easily rinse out, like the one of our Council Leader in a blonde wig and Chanel two piece...............

squoosh · 02/06/2017 13:45

The things I’m learning about Moggers today.

Mega shagger
Catholic
Origins in…....trade!