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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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Peregrina · 02/06/2017 11:14

In this case, I think Farage had a point. Wasn't there supposed to have been some skull duggery with postal ballots and ballot boxes stuffed with Tory votes, which then disappeared?

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:17

DH has just received an email out of the blue from a recruiter about a tech job. Unfortunately its not his field, but the offer was UK salary match, relocation fees and visa fees for Sweden.

That's one bloody good package...

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/06/2017 11:17

Worth remembering this

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:20

Hope Lib Dems complain about Neil's 'episode' yesterday evening.

What will it achieve to do that?
Pointless exercise which is more likely to backfire.

The Tories are only doing it, to add legitimacy to the Daily Mail cover story and to threaten the BBC to comply with them (funny how BBC telling their staff that they can not say May has turned down all radio interviews - irony being that was sure to leak. Think of it as a bit like the show down between the IC and Trump. Here it might well shape up to be the BBC and May).

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whatwouldrondo · 02/06/2017 11:22

One small fleck of blue in otherwise stormy skies? In amongst talk of who May has fielded and who she hasn't, who is in and who is out, including May herself has anyone seen any trace at all of Loathsome? I so want that excuse for a politician and businesswoman locked back up auditing that stationary cupboard in the City....

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:24

twitter.com/DanJukes17/status/870581037239328769
Farage's response to South Thanet.

Mentions Nick Timothy and implies he should also have been charged.

Another reason that will, behind closed doors, be seized upon to purge No 10.

He's DEFINITELY gone.

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:36

tony nog‏*@tony*_nog

  1. Thread What will Brexit cost, and why won't the media ask? @Peston @afneil @BBCNewsnight @bbcquestiontime @BBCNews
  2. On monday Jeremy Paxman asked May 4 times "Will you walk away with no #Brexit deal?" She said "yes"
  3. but then he failed to ask the obvious question "OK, what would no deal cost? What would be the impact?" Then tonight on #BBCQT
  4. @nick_clegg challenged @DavidDavisMP with "the treasury say Brexit will cost between £36 & £45B per year, what do you say it will cost"
  5. and David Dimbelby jumped in to essentially deflect the question with the usual "but we voted to leave". This is extraordinary
  6. We know that Brexit will have a cost, we know from May's speech it could be very high Yes we voted to leave, but surely, Our place in the world, our economic security, the vital public services upon which we all rely, our future prosperity - everything depends on, and will be defined by, the outcome of these next five years.

If we don't get them right, everything else we want to do in this country will be that much harder to achieve.

If we don't make a success of the next five years, our economic prosperity will suffer, jobs and livelihoods will be put at risk, and with them the security and peace of mind of working families.

if we don't make a success of Brexit, we won't have the financial means to fund the public services upon which we all rely.

Our National Health Service - the institution which is there for us at the most difficult time - needs us to make a success of Brexit to ensure we can afford to provide it with the resources it needs for the future.

  1. surely as we go into a GE, the public have a right to know-how much will Brexit cost,especially if the Tory party walk away with no deal?
  2. And yet, Jeremy Corbyn can forget a figure and its all over the news, yet our journalists are not asking David Davis
  3. this simple but vital question, that he MUST have an answer to: What will Brexit cost? What will be the impact? Why is no-one asking?
  4. as a follow on, one QT audience member asked "We are worried, what is the Brexit plan B in case it goes wrong?" Dimbelby just moved on

Were the media told not to ask? Did they comply?

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:41

Oh My.

(Mind boggles at Rees Mogg and Mini Rees Mogg getting tattoos and piecings).

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 11:42

Andrew McFadyen‏*@apmcfadyen* (SkyNews)
Astonishing that the BBC are so blatant about it

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BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 11:45

National Fish & Chip day Grin
Many thanks to those 19th century Sephardic Jewish immigrants for enriching our culinary culture

missmoon · 02/06/2017 11:46

New Ipsos/Mori poll in the Evening Standard has Labour on 40% and the Tories on 45%: twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/870590464659005440

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 11:47

and of course thanks to the French immigrants for the chips Smile
I probably need to thank the USA for the ketchup too - gotta have ketchup and vinegar

squoosh · 02/06/2017 11:50

The Moggs are multiplying! Someone must have fed Jacob after midnight...

taytopotato · 02/06/2017 11:51

From Owen Jones' fb
m.facebook.com/owenjones84/?locale2=en_GB#!/owenjones84/photos/a.768341499926031.1073741828.763996933693821/1370100469750128/?type=3&source=48

May not doing any interviews.

Hope it is not fake news.

howabout · 02/06/2017 11:51

Impossible to predict "cost" of Brexit. Once Macron gets the French economy back on track and persuades Germany to sort out Southern Europe and dump the punitive austerity the Eurozone engine will lift all boats - they will no longer have to cope with the UK handbrake.

We won't need immigration controls because Europe will be pulling workers home and our exports will rebalance as the Eurozone finally starts to outpace us.

UK and EU will both be richer.

If only the EU had thought to do all that sooner ....

Artisanjam · 02/06/2017 11:53

Sorry if this has already been posted but I saw it today and thought it was very interesting:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/27/theresa-may-leader-conservatives-focus-deficiencies

Kaija · 02/06/2017 11:55

How does the UK get richer in that scenario, howabout?

howabout · 02/06/2017 11:55

Squoosh JRM had 5 DC at last count and hasn't ever changed a nappy, but I don't think Mrs JRM has either tbf.

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 11:56

UK and EU will both be richer.

How are we going to be richer?

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 11:56

Election rigging in progress GrinGrin
Ssshh, Naughty Beeb - it's upposed to be a secret

howabout · 02/06/2017 12:01

Kaija the UK gets richer because we export more of our higher value goods and services and competitive advantage drives trade rather than beggar thy neighbour race to the bottom of recent times. We finally get our productivity problem sorted. GDP may have been growing but GDP per head has been stagnant for a decade against a backdrop of inflated asset prices and under investment.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 12:04

We will be much poorer with a WTO Brexit, which is what we'll get - unless May does a humiliating climbdown on all her red lines and accepts EEA /EFTA

BigChocFrenzy · 02/06/2017 12:05

If she is humiliated sufficiently in the GE, there is a decent chance the Tory MPs may choose a new leader who promises EEA Brexit

squoosh · 02/06/2017 12:06

JRM had 5 DC at last count

I had no idea! I imagined JRM living an ascetic lifestyle, squirrelled away in a dusty corner of his family pile reading the memoirs of long dead PMs, only stopping when darling Nanny brought him his evening victuals.

Peregrina · 02/06/2017 12:07

the UK gets richer because we export more of our higher value goods and services and competitive advantage drives trade rather than beggar thy neighbour race to the bottom of recent times.

It was me who asked. This prompts further questions - which higher value goods, and to whom?
We are already in danger of losing financial passporting - a service industry which generates wealth.
We are also in very real danger of damaging scientific research - the brain drain has already started - again an earner of wealth.

It needs more than wishful thinking, as will be found out.

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