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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:20

UKIP have all the important local issues covered in Nottingham East.

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BiglyBadgers · 31/05/2017 20:24

Thanks for the UKIP laughs red. I lived in Nottingham for a number of years and I can't say I ever once heard anyone even mention the arrows on that statue, let alone cite it as a key missing campaign pledge in an election. Clearly I missed that particular controversy Grin

squoosh · 31/05/2017 20:25

I loved the big gasp from the audience when Rudd claimed the Tories take care of the poorer members of society.

squoosh · 31/05/2017 20:27

I read that UKIP flyer on Twitter a few minutes ago and I thought I was high.

squoosh · 31/05/2017 20:38

I'm glad Robertson mentioned the radicalised right wing terrorists.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:40

"Museli eating guardian readers can't tackle Global Warming alone."
Tim Farron dishes out the soundbites by the spoonful.

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BiglyBadgers · 31/05/2017 20:40

Caroline Lucas seems to be doing well. I good score with the arms sales point.

BiglyBadgers · 31/05/2017 20:41

Tim Farron can stay out of my muesli and my guardian, thank you very much. Wink

squoosh · 31/05/2017 20:42

Nuttalls is such a gobshite

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:43

UKIP priorities:

electionleaflets.org/leaflets/14448/
Christmas Lights in Morecambe and Lunesdale

electionleaflets.org/leaflets/14272/
'Goodwill for drivers on the single carriageway A64'. (No I have no idea what that means either). 'Goodwill for the piers' in Scarborough and Whitby

electionleaflets.org/leaflets/14252/
'Will fight against all that is wrong in society' in Hertsmere. No idea what this happens to be though.

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Bearbehind · 31/05/2017 20:48

The fact Nutall can't even do his top button up irritates me greatly- he's such a skank.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:48

www.indy100.com/article/theresa-may-sizing-up-house-tim-farron-bbcdebate-conservative-party-7766036
Is Theresa May outside your house?

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Bearbehind · 31/05/2017 20:49

Loving the fact Nutalls comment 'they need us more than we need them' didn't even get a single clap.

officerhinrika · 31/05/2017 20:50

Think Leanne Wood may have just won the debate with Paul Nuttall as deadbeat dad!

Badders123 · 31/05/2017 20:51

Nuttall - moronic fucking Thundercunt

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:54

I think Leanne Wood is probably the winner. Farron and Lucas close joint second second. Then Corbyn. Angus Robertson is largely invisible but has come up with a couple of crackers. Then its Rudd who has been heckled and laughed at. Then Britain First's Nuttall comes a distance last.

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RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:58

Conservatives‏ @Conservatives
Corbyn: ‘I’m not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'. He wouldn't keep our country safe. #BBCDebate

Jo Maugham QC‏*@JolyonMaugham*

Vote Tory for extra-judicial killings.
Given this Government's contempt for the rule of law, you can perfectly well imagine it would have no problem with extra-judicial killings.
Double locks door.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 31/05/2017 21:06

Well that was an hour and a half of our lives we won't get back.

This format doesn't work. They just end up shouting at and over each other.

I can't see it changing anyone's mind.

Lucus did well.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 21:10

Robert Hutton‏*@RobDotHutton*
Amber Rudd appeared at the debate tonight despite her father having died this week.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 31/05/2017 21:12

I've just seen this.

Great respect to Amber for doing it tbh.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 21:14

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Cambridge examination results:
Lucas: First
Farron: high 2.i
Robertson: 2.i
Wood: 2.i
Corbyn: 2.ii
Rudd: 2.ii
Nuttall: 2.ii

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squoosh · 31/05/2017 21:16

I didn't know that, that must certainly be tough. I was thinking that she must have had an emotional time recently looking after her kids who've only just lost their father (AA Gill)

Bearbehind · 31/05/2017 21:18

That's even more reason why May should have been there- she is toxic.

HashiAsLarry · 31/05/2017 21:18

Good on Rudd. However it makes me feel May is more of an arse for not showing.

I loved Tim's closing speech, was not expecting that Grin

Was quite taken aback by how similar all the parties seemed to be, albeit ukip and cons on one side and the others on the other. Are we missing a centre ground or is this really a good vs evil election?

taytopotato · 31/05/2017 21:19

Agree. May should have been there

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