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Westministenders – 10 days to go

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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 18:57

I do not think there is a chance of a landslide in Tynemouth. the working class may turn from labour to con but uni staff are generally anti brexit so not likely to vote con. It may all even out.

This.
Middle class voting Labour whilst working Class voting Con!

Wolverhampton South West is where differences of opinion are creeping in. Wolverhampton North East might also be running things close. Both are Labour on YouGov.

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WeakAndUnstable · 31/05/2017 18:58

She looked extremely ill in that interview, and as someone that has passed out from stress-related sugar crashes I intuitively felt it could be linked and my heart went out to her a very tiny bit.

With regard to the debate in question, Cambridge is already in full Anti-Brexit protest flow tonight and the city is staunchly Labour & Lib Dem (unlike the disappointingly blue-rinse 'burbs). Outside London it was the highest voting Remain territory, I do believe. Academia, science/tech business and the property market here are preparing for significant post-Brexit damage....it's not pretty.

Simply put: this is possibly the most deeply hostile place on the entire planet that Theresa May could find herself in tonight Grin.

WeakAndUnstable · 31/05/2017 19:00

...posted too soon...

So I don't blame her one bit for chickening out and sending Amber Rudd instead!

Peregrina · 31/05/2017 19:18

and who would succeed - step forward boris Johnson, would be my bet.

Not while there is a chance of making a mess of Brexit. He will want to ride to the rescue when someone else has got the blame. Hence not standing when May did. I am pretty sure he would have walked the leadership - especially with the ordinary Tory members, who never, of course, had a say last time.

whatwouldrondo · 31/05/2017 19:23

Those journalists in the South West are pretty good www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html

whatwouldrondo · 31/05/2017 19:30

Our local paper has still not noticed Theresa was even here, not that they are alone in that......

Zxyzoey31 · 31/05/2017 19:31

Well if you apply my "reasoning" to the wider north east, a lot of those labour seats could turn con and I think that is a real risk.

Zxyzoey31 · 31/05/2017 19:33

I do think st albans will go lib dem. But my predictions are the triumph of hope over reality.

Bearbehind · 31/05/2017 19:38

Slightly odd opening statement form Rudd; do you want JC in no10 or the woman who couldn't be arsed is too scared to turn up here?

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 19:39

Nuttalls starts off by saying Britain First.

Says it all.

Rudd opener good. Huge contrast to May. But faces an anti Tory pile on.

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RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 19:40

Ok Farron is making me kill myself laughing. In a good way....

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/05/2017 19:47

YouGov are really out on a limb with their 50k panel: Tory lead only 3%

Hung Parliament, with Tories unable to get a majority even with the unionists.

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

CON 41%
LAB 38%

The margin of error for sample size 50k for 41% is +/-0.4 %
BUT that still requires the sample to be representative

I gather polling orgs don't really make profit from political polling; it's done mostly to advertise themselves.
I wonder if it's YouGov who are going to lose business after 9 June, or the polling orgs predicting a majority of 80 - 120 ? Hmm

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 19:47

I'm not sure Rudd can win this...

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/05/2017 19:49

Rudd has had far more exposure this campaign than any other govt minister.
She's a good performer (unless I jinx her, sorry Amber !)
but she may also be pushed because her seat is thought to be at some risk

HashiAsLarry · 31/05/2017 19:51

Popping in and out of the debate as trying to cook dinner and the dc trying desperately to stay up doubt it's the debate
Impressed with Natalie Leanne Wood so far. Not that it helps me

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 19:53

Cat Fight!!!! BBC chair is hopeless.

Nuttalls has come last.

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taytopotato · 31/05/2017 19:54

Fiery Jeremy

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 19:55

Corbyn and Rudd talking over each other too much.

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/05/2017 19:58

If May is really being restricted from campaigning and debating because of her T1, then I'd question whether she is sufficiently robust to remain PM as such a critical and demanding time in our history.

I'd think similarly if people excused Corbyn from these events, for being aged 68

It's not fair to the country and also not kind to her: being PM is very stressful and aging - look how Blair and Cameron aged so quickly ... and they didn't have T1 or any other known health condition before office.

WeakAndUnstable · 31/05/2017 20:06

Caroline Lucas is on a roll. There's a lot of emotion on the floor isn't there....Angus has just accused JC of aping UKIP. He's right Shock

HashiAsLarry · 31/05/2017 20:08

Go Caroline!

Noticing Rudds answer isn't giving a good reason as to why she's swung. Note: It's the people's fault when this goes wrong.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:11

Its interesting whats getting claps and whats not. The UKIP clapper is trying hard, bless them. Rudd is getting claps but not huge one, and just got laughed at and has been heckled. Its not a Con win.

In general anything pro-immigrant and pro-disabled going down well.

Corbyn isn't doing bad, but is being out-shone.

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Bearbehind · 31/05/2017 20:15

Corbyn continues to do what frustrates me the most and that is ignore anything to do with the biggest issue facing the next government i.e. Brexit and harping on about everything else.

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2017 20:18

Have to say Farron, Wood and Lucas seem to be getting the most applause.

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BiglyBadgers · 31/05/2017 20:19

The thing is Corbyn just has to mange to not be a complete disaster and he has won against May. How amber Rudd does is neither her not there, she is not running against Corbyn to be prime minister. Unless Rudd gets a really solid blow against him Corbyn will brush her off after the debate and focus on May not being there.