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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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BiglyBadgers · 04/05/2017 14:36

The guardian has started its anywhere but Westminster video series again for the election. This one goes to some leave and remain areas. Everyone just seems lost and confused about what is happening and what to do about it. May will win this election in a large part because the people she is screwing over are too busy trying to feed themselves to begin to think about who to vote for.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/may/04/is-this-the-weirdest-election-ever-video

Kaija · 04/05/2017 15:02

In case anyone is feeling a bit echo-chambery, or alternatively wants to laugh and cry at the same time, I have some news from the other side:

According to an article in a copy of today's Telegraph that I found on a train this morning we are all in danger of letting Brexit distract us from the fact that May's government is drifting ever further to the left. Apparently we need to be extremely vigilant and keep the pressure on to ensure that the bonfire of regulations is as all-consuming as we had hoped, and that socialist nonsense like the living wage is stamped on.

That's what we're dealing with here.

lalalonglegs · 04/05/2017 15:03

pretty : I think Prince Philip's announcement could only be made today. Probably it was planned for his birthday but that is the day after the election so a very intense news day; this is the one day between now and then when convention has it that campaigning can't be covered (I think it's much more significant that TM made her comments yesterday when she wouldn't be facing the press pack today).

Bearbehind · 04/05/2017 15:05

I think it's much more significant that TM made her comments yesterday when she wouldn't be facing the press pack today

I agree. It shows just how lily-livered she is.

when oh when are her disciples going to see through her?

Bananagio · 04/05/2017 15:06

The Adler documentary lost any credibility with me when it showed a load of Italian protesters who were protesting against domestic policy and dressed it up as anti-EU protests. Plus it did the usual yawnsome thing of inferring that last years Italian ref was on the future of the EU. And the 5.5 thing was just nonsense and slightly cringeworthy to watch.

prettybird · 04/05/2017 15:12

Good point lala

Cynical, innit Hmm

And I'm not referring to Prince Philip's announcement

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/05/2017 15:23

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/conservative-manifesto-general-election-2017-what-will-be-in-it-and-when-will-it-be-released-a3529876.html

The Conservatives are preparing to unveil the party's election manifesto early next week as Theresa May seeks to increase her Commons majority.

The document outlining the Tories' key policies could be published as early as next Monday on May 8.

Details of the manifesto have been kept firmly under wraps with only two pledges on foreign aid and an energy price cap firmly announced.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/05/2017 15:31

This was discussed ages ago but I'm still not sure what Britain being a third state means and what the implications are. I've had a google but can't find anything illuminating - would someone mind explaining it?

PattyPenguin · 04/05/2017 15:51

One definition I have found Pain.
"What is a third country? A country which is not a member of the EU or the EEA."

So I take it that it means "a country of the third type". First type, member state of the EU; second type, country which is a member of the EEA; third type, other countries.

That's my interpretation.

There's a list of the current "third countries" here
ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/bodies/authorities/third-countries/index_en.htm

woman12345 · 04/05/2017 16:23

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-students-turn-out-jeremy-corbyn-labour-liberal-democrats-nick-clegg-tuition-fees-a7717856.html

^Significantly, 78 per cent of students said they planned to vote, which would be a higher turnout than at the election two years ago (69 per cent), but lower than in the Brexit referendum (87 per cent).

And – despite fears of a plunge in registration, after controversial changes to electoral rolls – 93 per cent who are entitled to vote said they had registered^

A great generation.Smile I'm proud of them.

woman12345 · 04/05/2017 16:29

But, I'm biased. Wink Their engagement and knowledge puts many other demographic groups to shame. Many are willing to vote tactically, it's claimed in this article. They're certainly learning more about Real Politik than we did even in the 1980s. Knowledge is always strength.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/05/2017 16:30

Thanks Patty!

From the Guardian:
EU council president Donald Tusk urges May to tone down anti-EU rhetoric

Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, has urged Theresa May to tone down her anti-Brussels rhetoric. He said the Brexit talks would become “impossible” if the UK and the EU got embroiled in a row before they even started. Speaking in Brussels, he said:

These negotiations are difficult enough as they are.

If we start arguing before they even begin they will become impossible.

The stakes are too high to let our emotions get out of hand because at stake are the daily lives and interests of millions of people on both sides of the channel.

We must keep in mind that in order to succeed we need today discretion, moderation, mutual respect and a maximum of goodwill.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/05/2017 16:32

That's really encouraging, woman.

woman12345 · 04/05/2017 16:51

The stakes are too high to let our emotions get out of hand because at stake are the daily lives and interests of millions of people on both sides of the channel
So is this, keep our eyes on the prize.

woman12345 · 04/05/2017 17:01

Pollution, poverty, health and education, and don't vote tory unless you want to poison your children.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/04/government-faces-class-action-on-air-pollution-in-landmark-case
News of the action comes as the government prepares to publish a new draft air quality plan, after judges found previous efforts to tackle air pollution were so poor as to be illegal.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/merkel-sees-may-erdogan-downing-street-le-pen-no-10-brexit
The Erdoğan of Downing Street, a Le Pen in No 10: that’s how Merkel sees May
Sounds about right.

Your comment about Trump's daily terrifying his country, being used by May is true red . It's lovely not to hear or see her today.

Cailleach1 · 04/05/2017 17:33

lala: "I think it's much more significant that TM made her comments yesterday when she wouldn't be facing the press pack today"

Oh yes! It was perfectly timed to avoid being properly evaluated. It is just left out there. Mind you she wouldn't be facing anyone in person anyway.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2017 17:53

Maybe he's going to be on our negotiation team

More like.

"Their deploying us to win trade deals? I'm supposed to grovel to some foreigners? Don't be stupid Elizabeth, I'm retiring".

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BlueEyeshadow · 04/05/2017 18:41

According to DH, Phil the Greek is retiring because his role of insulting foreigners has been usurped by the rest of the government...

HesterThrale · 04/05/2017 18:46

Blue Grin

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/05/2017 19:17

Voted.
Didn't see a soul under 70
Sigh

I voted at 8.15 this morning. It was quiet, but all working age people - mostly my neighbours. Grin

pointythings · 04/05/2017 19:39

I voted at about 5 pm. Very, very quiet. But I am in True Blue Toryland.
It's probably the last vote I will have in the UK, given that I'm forrin.

I am beginning to see Brexit

And I reckon Brexiteers are feeling something . Although I may be being slightly sarcastic in that.

Am feeling very despondent.

squoosh · 04/05/2017 19:45

I voted an hour ago. Pretty busy at my Glasgow polling station with the after work crowd.

LostPeppers · 04/05/2017 19:53

Voted by post a few days ago.
Tbh I think a lot of people my age are dong the same whereas 70yo they to go to the polling station.

pointy I didn't think this might be my last election in Britain too... :(

optionalrationale · 04/05/2017 19:57

Today 10:50 LurkingHusband
"Just scanning Mumsnet - forget the rest of the internet - has anyone else noticed an increase in the faux-shock that things aren't the pushover some people painted last year ? My current favourite is [AIBU] To wish the EU would stop being so arsey with us! Some quite low-Q thinking being revealed there."

Wots that? A Remainer suggesting Leaverss are a low-Q? What an original argument.

FYI I am not in the slightest surprised that Junkers, Barnier are playing hardball. I would have been far more worried and shocked if they did anything else. They are desperate to deter other exits from the EU. It would only take one more for the whole sorry house of cards to come fluttering down.

The irony for you, and other Remainers egging the EU on to be arsey, is that makes the hardest of hars Brexits more likely

HashiAsLarry · 04/05/2017 19:59

Have a Wine all you who voted today. No elections round my way.