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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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HashiAsLarry · 04/05/2017 20:01

What's that? A leaver post faux outrage and reading something that's not there and trying to make a straw man. Then doing precisely what they accuse others of? How original. Yawn

optionalrationale · 04/05/2017 20:12

No idea wtf that meant Hasish

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 20:15

Thanks hashi Wine

HashiAsLarry · 04/05/2017 20:18

Yes, that was highly apparent from your post optional.

LurkingHusband · 04/05/2017 20:27

The irony for you, and other Remainers egging the EU on to be arsey,

See - my point exactly. Highlighting the situation that was predicted before June 23 is now classed as "egging on the EU".

Pointing out that the injuries you are about to sustain from jumping off a cliff are going to be entirely consistent with the injuries you were told you would get if you jumped off a cliff is not egging the ground (or gravity) on. Well, not in this universe, leastways.

BiglyBadgers · 04/05/2017 20:42

You forget lurking that anyone that does not stand and salute the might of May and welcome the land of happy unicorn fairies that Britain will become once we have left the EU is a dangerous dissident who is trying to ruin Brexit for everyone else.

The fact that it is May who is screwing it up by starting fights where no fight needed to be started does not compute I'm afraid.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 20:47

The Sun showing its usual high standard of accurate reporting and fact-checking Hmm

"Buckingham Palace had summoned royal household staff for an emergency meeting prompted a flurry of speculation overnight about the health of the Queen and Prince Philip"

"The Sun briefly published on its website – and then swiftly removed – an article about the Duke of Edinburgh’s death, titled
“Prince Philip dead at 95, how did the Duke of Edinburgh die, etc etc”." Confused

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/04/royal-sources-scotch-prince-philip-rumour-ahead-of-emergency-meeting

optionalrationale · 04/05/2017 20:50

Lurking
What do you want to happen now?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 20:52

The weekly YouGov poll for the Times today:
CON 48%, LAB 29%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 5%

Political analysts all expect UKIP to lose about half their previous support.
Those votes are returning 5:1 toTory:Labour

YouGov tables:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulusuploads/document/dpzz1r8u3o/TimesResultss170503VIITrackerswithhSlogansW.pdf

"As HOPE not hate have reported, 1,277 candidates are standing in the local elections from populist and far-right parties, which is a drop of 658 candidates from 1935 overall standing in the same regions’ last election cycles."

" Perhaps most striking is the continuing decline of the British National Party which has managed to stand a mere 10 candidates in the county council elections, down from a record 744 in 2007.”

http://hopenothate.org.uk/2017/05/03/ukip-disinterest-fringe-far-right-decline-local-election-predictionss_[[http://hopenothate.org.uk/2017/05/03/ukip-disinterest-fringe-far-right-decline-local-election-predictions/ /
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< Is that because people are rejecting far right policies, or because they feel some of those policies, e.g. a deluded form of nationalism, have now been adopted by the Tory party ? >

whatwouldrondo · 04/05/2017 21:01

This morning the trending thread here was that Philip was dead. all day I have been hearing that he is 96 as if that was short hand for dead any day, though he seems remarkably in possession of both breath and his faculties. Yesterday we had the man who planted a bomb had "mental health issues" citing he was autistic. Autism is a brain difference not a mental health issue . Of course like everyone else someone who is autistic can have mental health issues especially given how society presents so many challenges. It really is open season on prejudice isn't it?

Cupofteaandtoilet · 04/05/2017 21:19

Off to the count. Wish me luck fellow Westministenders. I don't contribute much here but I read avidly.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 21:22

For our visiting Brexiter:

I emigrated to Germany last July.
I'm part of the UK science brain drain.
That's lost for ever.

Politician and public here were sad about the UK ref vote for a couple of months, but since then just want the Uk to get on with it and go.

Business has been very strongly saying the Single Market is more important to them longterm than their Uk trade.

The attitude is, swings and roundabouts.

Some sectors, e.g. car industry, expect a drop in sales, but not prolonged or serious.
They are confident they'll soon make it up in other markets outside the EU

  • Germany has been successful for a long time selling outside the EU.
The Uk will have to learn that knack. Fast.

Other sectors, e.g. Frankfurt financial services, hope to gain lucrative business and jobs from the UK.

General opinion here:

. The UK is quite likely to split up. The EU not.
. The Kippers and other Ultra-Brexiters cheering on EU fascist parties has shocked and disgusted many in Germany and other EU countries.
. Hence many want the Uk to go quickly and think Brexit will benefit EU unity - united against a strident, nationalist UK.

In Germany, The AfD has collapsed like UKIP, after Schulz returned from Brussels to galvanize the left as SPD leader.
Le Pen is the one remaining danger.
So ordinary people - and politicians - are far more interested in the French elections than in Brexit.
Zero interest in the UK GE here, other than laughing at May - Wag the Dog.

optionalrationale · 04/05/2017 21:44

Sounds like they're reasonably happy then on balance.
So am I.
Are you?

prettybird · 04/05/2017 21:58

My (Scots) lawyer friend although he is also part Irish posted up this link, saying good news for Dublin, but also complaining that Scots lawyers have to resit 6 exams whereas English lawyers just need to write a letter to get converted.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-03/brexit-means-u-k-lawyers-and-bankers-may-not-be-at-your-service

squoosh · 04/05/2017 22:07

'Off to the count. Wish me luck fellow Westministenders. I don't contribute much here but I read avidly.'

Good luck! I hope you get lots of [tea]

squoosh · 04/05/2017 22:08

Or ☕️

prettybird · 04/05/2017 22:10

BigChoc - I am sorry the UK had lost your expertise and your tax take but am grateful you still provide an informed perspective of what Brexit means to you. Smile

Sqoosh - I actually had to queue at my Glasgow polling station at 9.30 this morning - but only for one very slow and very doddery old guy bring helped by his middle aged daughter. Ds (age 16) cycled off to vote at 12 and was there and back in 10 minutes Shock - including ordering all 8 candidates in his vote. A complex first vote!

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:13

pretty

Ds1 came out going ' i wasnt sure how to marke the form'

Its a giant bloody X!!!!

Does not bode well for that childs A levels

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:13

And apparently he went all ye olde English with his 'marke'

prettybird · 04/05/2017 22:15

Reading back a bit further....

BigChoc - it's not surprising the BNP only stood 10 candidates this time....they've had their clothes stolen SadHmm

Cailleach1 · 04/05/2017 22:19

I was thinking about the EU wanting the ECJ to oversee the rights of EU citizens in the UK. And then I was thinking about NI. You know practically one in two babies born in NI now may potentially identify as Irish and take up their EU citizenship. In theory, everyone could get EU citizenship. That ratio may even increase in the future. These are people born on their native sod, not people moving from another EU country. As such, visa restrictions etc. won't have any impact. Maybe that is why the Con's are preparing everyone for 'no deal' and whip up some smoke in the tabloids saying it is the bast*rds fault. Under the GFA, people in NI are guaranteed Irish and therefore EU citizenship. May doesn't want that. That would tie the ECJ to the UK via NI.

A united Ireland could be aeons into the future, if at all. And May doesn't want ECJ involvement. Maybe not even the ECHR or the GFA if she has her way.

I really think Northern Ireland is the elephant in the room that the UK gov't are not mentioning. For a few reasons.

Sorry for lack of clarity. Hope the gist is in there.

prettybird · 04/05/2017 22:22

Rufus - up here an X would have been a spoilt vote Shock Ds (and everyone else Grin) had to rank 1 to 8 (although could stop the ranking at any point although that could mean his vote would then be discarded if his preferred 4 candidates didn't all reach quota in the first round which would be unlikely).

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:23

I did assume it was different where you are Grin

We didnt have 8 boxes and ds1 is 18

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:24

Yours sounds very confusing!

I did say to ds 'see how easy that was'

I am now paranoid that it shoukdnt have been a X

Shock
illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/05/2017 22:24

DH went to vote at 8pm and said there was a queue of ~12 in front of him.

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