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Referendum in final deal

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 14:31

In most life- changing decisions, there is a get-out clause. If you buy a house with rising damp, you can pull out before completion, you can break off an engagement if your Mr. Right turns out to be Mr. Notquite. I assume most reasonable people would like the opportunity to have a look at the brexit deal we get from the EU and decide if that's really the best way forward. If you agree, please sign and share. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/193282

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purits · 12/04/2017 18:03

Of course it was hyperbole. She said that no one in her family can "earn a living". What she meant was "carry on doing our current jobs". Big difference.

whatwouldrondo · 12/04/2017 18:30

I pointed out we could work in other sectors but why would we when there are opportunities elsewhere in the world? My DH is not by the way a hotshot banker in receipt of big bonuses, they have always moved around, he is back Office and very representative of the way that the larger part of the dogsbodies management jobs in the financial sector will be hit, and not just in London, his departments (in a variety of businesses ) were in Leeds Edinburgh Newcastle and Colchester......

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 18:33

Purits - those numerous other countries aren't in Europe. Yes, the world probably won't end, but we will be poorer for quite a long time and lose our international influence. I don't think people voted for that. "Take back control" was a catchy little slogan, but we will sadly " lose much control".

I don't know how harsh the EU would be about us revoking Article 50; they are sad to lose us and are concerned for the 73% of the population who didn't vote for Brexit.

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whatwouldrondo · 12/04/2017 18:36

Hyperbole is by the way exaggerated beyond reality, the reality is that our jobs and many more like them, will not be done in the UK any longer.

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 18:36

an unrelenting march to an ever closer union. In what way? We have a say on developments. What elements of this ever closer union cause you difficulties, if any?

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whatwouldrondo · 12/04/2017 18:39

Phrits Yes other countries outside the EU negotiate trade deals, the majority of which are for trade with their neighbours and often in actual or de facto trading blocs. That is why the rest of the world think that the UK are nuts to be engaging in such a massive act of economic self harm

Peregrina · 12/04/2017 19:12

Of course it was hyperbole.

This is a most uncharitable remark. If you had a professional job or a trade even, and it completely disappeared from this country, would you really think that a part time zero hours contract in Sports Direct or the like was an adequate substitute?

CopperRose · 12/04/2017 19:17

It sort of is hyperbole though to suggest that those professions will entirely cease to exist, and to suggest that a zero contract hours job with Sports Direct is the only alternative option.

Peregrina · 12/04/2017 19:22

Some jobs will cease. If you had a trade related to coalmining you would no longer be able to work in that trade in this country because we have no mines left. The Sports Direct factory is on the site where there used to be pits. So it's not so far fetched as all that.

Anon1234567890 · 12/04/2017 19:59

In most life- changing decisions, there is a get-out clause... you can break off an engagement if your Mr. EUright turns out to be Mr. NotquitesoEUright. I assume most reasonable people took the opportunity to have a look at the EU deal we got and decide if that's really the best way forward. If you agree, please support Brexit and help take back control.

Or would you prefer to be trapped in a loveless marriage for the rest of your life because senior judges refused to allow divorce after 40 years on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour.

I personally think there should have been a referendum on the issue, it should have been binding. The government have taken the advice of an unprecedented vote and are taking the country in the direction the majority voted for. Many would agree it would be silly to stop at some point and allow the EU to give us a punishment beating . I am one of the "normal people" and I have felt "controlled" by the EU. Have you benefited EU membership, NO, not me, not once.

Peregrina · 12/04/2017 20:06

Have you benefited EU membership, NO, not me, not once.

So you have Never ever been to a beach which is now clean but was once polluted by sewage?

Never had to use your EHIC card - maybe not, I haven't used mine.

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 20:51

Anon perhaps you have been fortunate enough never to need any medical care. This fact sheet shows how the NHS has benefitted from EU membership and how it will suffer from Brexit. None of us in UK can say with confidence "That'll never be my problem". healthierin.eu/factsheet/
You may feel you have not benefitted from EU membership at all, but unless you have been living in a bubble, I expect you have without realising.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 12/04/2017 21:17

Niamer

There are quite a few non facts in your "facts" sheet.

Coppersulphate · 12/04/2017 21:46

I don't want another referendum. However if we have one I think there will be an even bigger majority for leave.
It is not all about economics, trade, jobs or you.
It is about control of our borders, making and upholding our own laws, and not paying a bloody fortune to faceless eurocrats. In other words running our country the way we want to without people in Brussels telling us what to do.

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 21:48

There are quite a few non facts in your "facts" sheet

Such as? I can't take the credit for it - it is written by NHS professionals.

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Coppersulphate · 12/04/2017 21:49

I have not benefitted from the EU either. In fact I feel I have been disadvantaged by it. I hate the EU. For me any deal is better than staying in the EU.

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 21:50

It is not all about economics, trade, jobs or you

I assume by 'you' you mean the 73% of the country who didn't vote for Brexit.

It is not all about those four things, but I am sure you'll agree, they are quite important.

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 21:55

It is about control of our borders, making and upholding our own laws, and not paying a bloody fortune to faceless eurocrats. In other words running our country the way we want to without people in Brussels telling us what to do

We have control of our borders. There are controls in place to repatriate unemployed EU citizens that the government have chosen not to use.

We make and uphold our own laws.

It is not a bloody fortune - it is approx the price of a cup of coffee a week. We will all be paying more to come out of the EU than to be a member. Ie paying to have rights and freedoms removed.

They have faces.

Sorry you hate the EU Copper. Why is that?

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Niamer · 12/04/2017 21:57

And P.S we ARE the people in Brussels. We vote for MEPs. We are part of the EU.

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Peregrina · 12/04/2017 21:59

For me any deal is better than staying in the EU.
So if you lost your job, because your firm relocated because of Brexit, and you couldn't find another, your children emigrated to find work, and furthermore, you then became seriously ill, but found treatment difficult to access because of cuts in the NHS and lack of staffing - both EU staff not coming and native born staff either retiring or leaving, would you really say, well this is fine, because I am not in the EU?

Bearbehind · 12/04/2017 22:03

I have not benefitted from the EU either. In fact I feel I have been disadvantaged by it. I hate the EU. For me any deal is better than staying in the EU

copper is there any chance you might back that statement up?

What exactly has been so detrimental to you that you think nothing could be worse? Hmm

Peregrina · 12/04/2017 22:03

BTW - those who object to Brussels bureaucrats - do you object to a UK civil service, or Local Government staff? You don't elect those either, and furthermore, in Local Govt elections, a good many people feel so strongly, apparently, that they can't even be bothered to vote.

whatwouldrondo · 12/04/2017 22:19

Copper So the UK is to become a poorer place with a smaller economy and therefore welfare state and health service, as May and Hammond are now warning , with all the adverse effects on the majority of people's lives because you "hate the EU" are stamping your feet and screaming like a toddler that it's not fair Shock

fakenamefornow · 13/04/2017 00:31

I hate the EU. For me any deal is better than staying in the EU

I believe you! Some of my family feel like that, they are so hate filled they would pay any price to leave the EU. Scotland independent, NI on fire again, war with Spain over Gibraltar, the country bankrupt, anything.

fakenamefornow · 13/04/2017 00:33

They really love their country, my family.