What would be a good compromise for both sides?

[Dannythechampion]

There is little talk of this really.

Would a deal where:

1. The UK leaves the customs union so it is able to arrange its own trade deals.
2. Industries with cross border supply chains are granted special access in both countries.
3. The UK still pays some sort of fee into the EU for this access.
4. The UK can set numbers on EU immigration based upon figures required by industry.
5. There is a seperate ISDS court for UK/EU rulings.

Would that suit?

Semi, you said remoaners views were as abhorant and nasty as the extreme BNP. Which views?

No I didn't.

I said:

There are a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot...they are the teeth gnashing, bigoted few who sneer repeatedly at anyone who voted differently to them and are equally as obnoxiously hateful as their opposite numbers.

At no point did I say "remoaners views were as abhorrent and nasty as the extreme BNP".

I didn't mention their views at all, in fact.

There are a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot..

You said this, Semi, where are these people and what do they say?
By the way, the BNP are extreme. There isn't an extreme BNP.

a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP

Please could we have examples of Remain-based views (and/or the culprits) "as nasty and as abhorant as forced repatriation, racial segregation and holocaust denial"? As others have said above, I'd really like to know so I can stay the heck away from them.

By the way, the BNP are extreme. There isn't an extreme BNP.

Yes, I did in fact clarify this in a couple of posts later:

^"the extreme BNP lot" is one complete phrase - as in 'the BNP lot are extreme'.
In no way do I imagine a 'spectrum' wrt the BNP.^

Please could we have examples of Remain-based views (and/or the culprits) "as nasty and as abhorant as forced repatriation, racial segregation and holocaust denial"? As others have said above, I'd really like to know so I can stay the heck away from them.

I'll just repost this answer, which I gave a few posts back:

^At no point did I say "remoaners views were as abhorrent and nasty as the extreme BNP".

I didn't mention their views at all, in fact.^

Semi, you are avoiding answering one simple but interesting question:

You said There are a small, extreme group who are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot.

Posters have asked, reasonably, for some examples of Remainer sentiment/comments that compare to BNP views such as racial segregation and the others mentioned.

Please can you give some?

Semi, you really need to take a chill-pill today. And I mean that nicely.

At no point did I say "remoaners views were as abhorrent and nasty as the extreme BNP".
I didn't mention their views at all, in fact

Sorry, I'm genuinely not understanding now.

If it's not Remoaners' views that are as abhorrent and nasty as the BNP, what about these people is as abhorrent and nasty as the BNP?

Please could we have examples of Remain-based views (and/or the culprits) "as nasty and as abhorant as forced repatriation, racial segregation and holocaust denial"? As others have said above, I'd really like to know so I can stay the heck away from them.

And, for clarity, at no point did I in any way link Remainers views to 'forced repatriation, racial segregation and holocaust denial'.

It was another poster that used those words & comparisons, not me.

Perhaps you should ask them what they meant?

Sigh.

I could copy and paste my previous posts infinitum, but really can't be arsed tbh.

I was very clear.

Semi, saying that some remainers 'are just as nasty & abhorrent as the extreme BNP lot' IS by definition linking their views – or perhaps one could say the strength of their views – to views expressed by far-right elements, such as the desire for forced repatriation, racial segregation and holocaust denial.

But I think you can see that and are being disingenuous.

Am taking twofingers advice.

I've no desire to continue with this ridiculous nonsense.

Semi, you chose your words poorly- you have said that there are people on the Remain side who are as bad as the BNP.

I assume you mean that you've read some nasty Remainers on MN. Quite what this is, I don't know. Quite how their words equate to BNP style rhetoric, I don't know.

Sigh all you want but you can't chuck that in and expect people to understand you.

Semi, nice flounce.

Why is no-one engaging with what could be an interesting thread? There have been virtually no posts on a compromise bar the OP's which seems sensible to me.

My own idea would be an extended exit period (maybe 5 years plus the two of negotiations) to allow companies to realise returns on existing investments. After that a sector by sector deal (I know the eu has said that is not on the table but negotiations often change) giving us the City, Germany cars, france wine etc.

I want freedom of movement for labour but not people.And all existing people given indefinite right to remain on both sides.

The cake and eat it approach Larry. Isn't going to work. Brexit means brexit.

"I want freedom of movement for labour but not people"

We have freedom of movement of labour, not people.

You can't just rock up and retire here from Poland unless you meet a whole set of criteria for example.

People can be sent home if they don't have a job within the first 3 months, or within 6 months if they haven't got a job.

There are all sorts of controls that the UK has chosen not to implement, FOM applies to labour, not people.

Christ, is there any such thjng as a brexit thread that doesn't lead to brexiters moaning that people think they are racist? You won. Get over it.

Danny unfortunately I don't think that your proposal is workable, because the WTO does not allow cherry-picking between nations. You either have to have a "comprehensive" free trade deal, or you have to treat all your WTO trading partners alike ("most favoured nation" doctrine). The UK and EU can't simply decide to exempt suppliers of car components from brexit.

Christ, is there any such thjng as a brexit thread that doesn't lead to brexiters moaning that people think they are racist?
Few, if any, in my experience.

They may not necessarily be racist, but a good number are obsessed with Immigration - despite telling us that they aren't.

It gets boring to discuss it over and over though. Remainers think many if not most leave voters are basically a bit racist, they insist they are not. It's not even worth debating; no minds are going to be changed (or at least not at the group level: I'm happy to accept that individual leave voters who consistently condemn racism, and who don't support politicians who stand on a racist platform, are not racists themselves.)

Danny's OP was interesting, though I think misinformed in the sense that I don't think that particular set of compromises would be either (a) on offer or (b) legal. But compromise there is going to have to be, as the government's back-pedalling last week demonstrates. So I would be very interested to know what might be acceptable, on both sides ie the EU and WTO on one side (because any arrangement will need to be within both EU and WTO rules) and the UK government/ brexiters on the other (I don't think remain supporters get a voice in this I'm afraid).

The most obvious type of compromise would be the one proposed by some brexit groups, ie an initially soft brexit (EFTA/EEA) giving time to work out the long term details. Note that this is not at all the same thing as a transitional agreement (under which it is likely that the UK will remain an EU member in all but name and influence).

Making my way slowly through the thread

I agree completely with dannys post on Tues 12.01

The remoaners are the Remain version of the BNP.

You've come out with some shit in your time but that takes the biscuit.

How bloody dare you.

As long as FOM goes I don't care. Best case scenario we end up as some kind of post apocalypse mad max world. Big posters of Lilley Allen and Bob geldolf crying on every street corner would be a bit of bonus.

FOM probably isn't going anywhere.

Why are you opposed to it so much?