Remainers - What do you want? When do you want it?

[optionalrationale]

We had the referendum, we had the legal challenge, we had the Supreme Court ruling, Article 50 has been triggered. The United Kingdom will no longer be part of the European Union.

So my questions to Remainers are
What do you want? When do you want it?

Here's what I want..

I want the negotiations to go well. I want future relations with our neighbours to be cordial. I want a good deal for UK and the EU. I want us to walk away if their demands are unacceptable (and stem from vindictiveness and to deter other members from following our lead). I want the UK to be free to make good trade deals with any country it wants. I want the UK to lead in creating a new model of trade without excessive interference in each partner's social and political arena.

Caroline I agree the article is well worth reading. I am about to repost it on the WM thread as they are rehashing the arguments on the race to the bottom.

Please use copy/paste to highlight when / where I have been either "ashamed" to declare war and "to deny that it happened"

You'll note I used the word 'seem' not 'said'. I'm trying to understand why you appear so affronted by and arguing against the idea that the UK declared war. You haven't answered any of the direct questions I've asked you on this thread, so I can only speculate as to your motives in suggesting that the idea that Britain and France and their allies declared war (and triggered WW2 in the form we knew it - without speculating on whether/what form it would have taken otherwise, as that is nothing but speculation).

“It is not safe to assume you can deliver unsatisfactory economic outcomes for a decade without a political reaction that feeds back into the economics.”

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/04/crash-1929-wall-street-what-the-great-depression-reveals-about-our-future

This article is quite an in depth look at the interwar economic parallels with today. It is less optimistic about the US than my earlier comments and also fails to address the counterproductive role the EU / UK have been playing.

JassyRadlett
" I'm trying to understand why you appear so affronted by and arguing against the idea that the UK declared war."

I am affronted by some Remainers here equating a declaration of war in thr face of Fascist onslaught against a European neighbour as "starting it".

It is phrases like "We started it" (used repeatedly by Rufus and Danny) that make me see how desperate some Remainers appear to be to blame and denigrate Great Britain (even in our fight against Fascism).

You haven't answered any of the direct questions I've asked you on this thread, so I can only speculate as to your motives in suggesting that the idea that Britain

Sorry posted to soon.
Go ahead and ask me a direct question

Personally? I think we had to do it, i think we did it for all the right reasins when talking just wasnt working. I think we did it to save ourselves. I think germany committed an act of aggression when they invaded poland. Could argue they started a war wiith Poland

jassy

the idea that Britain and France and their allies declared war (and triggered WW2 in the form we knew it

Danny
If Europe could have coped without us in WW2, you'll be pleased that they be able to cope without us in the EU

To a man we have all said that Britain did the right thing by declaring war. I believe germany had to be stopped

danny

Oh I agree Jessy, declaring war on Germany totally was the right thing to do

Yesterday 22:10 woman12345

"And I'm not taking any project fear or personal insult answers, I want to know how Brexit Britain is going to work as a functioning solvent egalitarian democracy"

Because it was a perfectly fine democracy far longer and more successfully than most of the European countries you admire so much - including the ones against whom we "started" the war

"It is phrases like "We started it" (used repeatedly by Rufus and Danny) that make me see how desperate some Remainers appear to be to blame and denigrate Great Britain (even in our fight against Fascism)."

Again, twisting people's words, everyone has said "Officially" we ( well the British and French) started the war between the UK/France and Germany by declaring war. That's accurate.

Now no one has blamed or denigrated Britain, you have attempted to suggest that people have, but its not accurate.

Its a strange little agenda you have going on here.

Britain and France declared war on Germany

The channel islands which are part of the part of the uk was invaved during world war 2. Parts of many english cities were destroyed during the war

jassy

in my view absolutely necessary and right, and arguably a little late (but could not resonantly have been any later)

Danny
Denigrating the UK.
You have repeatedly said WW2 could have been won without the UK. If that isn't denigrating the contribution of the almost half a million British men, women and children who gave their lives what the fuck is it?

And yes i love my country

Because it was a perfectly fine democracy far longer and more successfully than most of the European countries you admire so much - including the ones against whom we "started" the war

Little bit ad hominem again,comrade optional.
I've got it, you're a surrealist.

no not all remainers believe that the uk didnt suffer any destruction during world war 2. Not all remainers believe that the uk started world war 2. I dont remember saying that though we did start the war with Germany . I did say the war though

Danny
You and Rufus should definitely make your very subtle "accurate" distinctions about the UK "starting the war" and "officially starting the war".
You have repeatedly gone about downplaying the suffering of cities like Coventry. You have repeatedly said the UK wasn't needed anyway.

No wonder you did such a great job winning the support of ordinary British people in the referendum

jassy

Britain stood up for its allies and stood up for right by declaring war on an increasingly expansionist Germany?

danny

did I at any point say that going to war was the wrong thing for the UK to do?

In fact no one on this thread has said that, you keep trying and failing to imply that people have.

it is a very valid question if you happen to have a DeLorean and flux fuckin capacitor

Woman12345
Tell me, how democratic would your precious Europe have been without he UK liberating it from Nazism?

Oh so sorry...I forgot.... The destruction of Coventry wasn't all that bad....must mention the wonderfully "egalitarian" and democratic French shiopping thousands of Jews to Dachau and Auswitz. But oh sorry...the second world war would have been won without us anyway!!

Wonderful

While mainland Great Britain was not invaded by the Germans, the risk of invasion was very real.