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Remainers - What do you want? When do you want it?

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optionalrationale · 08/04/2017 07:48

We had the referendum, we had the legal challenge, we had the Supreme Court ruling, Article 50 has been triggered. The United Kingdom will no longer be part of the European Union.

So my questions to Remainers are
What do you want? When do you want it?

Here's what I want..

I want the negotiations to go well. I want future relations with our neighbours to be cordial. I want a good deal for UK and the EU. I want us to walk away if their demands are unacceptable (and stem from vindictiveness and to deter other members from following our lead). I want the UK to be free to make good trade deals with any country it wants. I want the UK to lead in creating a new model of trade without excessive interference in each partner's social and political arena.

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whatwouldrondo · 16/04/2017 22:53

I will just post a quote from the other thread here because we can post evidenced views, facts and the conclusions of respected historians which optimale had of course ignored but "
It's this type of thing which reminds us we're in a culture war. It's not really about trade or standards or the rest. It's about the 1950s
rising up out the grave and trying to inflict its conformity and tedium and utter lack of imagination on the rest of us. It won't succeed......"

Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 22:55

By Russia and the USA of course.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 16/04/2017 22:55

I have no idea

Why does it matter

To a man we have all said that Britain did the right thing by declaring war

I believe germany had to be stopped

Hitler liked us but i would imagine he would have killed anyone he disagreed with or didnt like and kept any pockets of resistance down. We would be speaking german i should think

But I honestly dont know

Because the allies won

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 16/04/2017 22:56

Why arent you answering dannys question?

Or mine from earlier?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 16/04/2017 22:58

Sorry mrshoolie Blush

Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 23:00

You do twist the words, because although you copy and paste its the context in which you set them that sets the tone of what you are implying.

"You should make sure you stand up and say that at the next Rememberance Day service for the almost half a million men and women who gave their lives in the fight against Nazism"

For example implies that I don't think that the UK being in the war was the correct thing to do. Which I've never said, you have implied it, and also made an appeal to emotion whilst you do it.

Its not even very subtle, its blatant, and poorly executed.

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optionalrationale · 16/04/2017 23:07

Danny
Germany and Japan would have been defeated without us

By whom?

Today 22:55 Dannythechampion

"By Russia and the USA of course"

Wow. Just wow. So you believe that 450,000 (not including the lives of civilians, service men and women from India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) were completely in vain and unnecessary?

Just out of interest, where do you think the liberation of Europe would have been launched from? A surprise attack from Newark?

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optionalrationale · 16/04/2017 23:10

"RufusTheRenegadeReindeer

Why arent you answering dannys question?

Or mine from earlier"

What?

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Kaija · 16/04/2017 23:10

This is some textbook trolling.

Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 23:12

Its widely acknowledge that the Eastern Front was the most decisive in the victory over the Germans, with or without our involvement the Russians would have defeated the Germans. It would of course have been possible to invade Europe from the south ( as they did) as well for the Americans.

In the pacific war, the Americans would have defeated the Japanese without our aid too.

"So you believe that 450,000 (not including the lives of civilians, service men and women from India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) were completely in vain and unnecessary?"

No, I didn't say that, this is where you are twisting what I'm saying. I answered your question, you are then putting another meaning on to it.

Why are you so keen to put words in people's mouths? What's the agenda here?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 16/04/2017 23:14

I do like this quote when it comes to answering a what if type question

It is a very valid question if you happen to have a DeLorean and flux fuckin capacitor

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optionalrationale · 16/04/2017 23:33

Danny
It would of course have been possible to invade Europe from the south ( as they did) as well for the Americans

From where exactly?

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Kaija · 16/04/2017 23:36

Not interested in what remainers want any more then?

Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 23:37

From Tunisia, Algeria and other North African countries, and go through Italy, you know, like they did in WW2.

Gosh your history is really poor.

Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 23:38

Kaija, she's not, all she is desperate to prove is that remainers aren't patriotic.

She's rather desperate, clutching and straws, and lacks a lot of knowledge.

Funny

Kaija · 16/04/2017 23:47

It's a bit spooky.

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optionalrationale · 16/04/2017 23:48

Danny
I don't have to clutch at any straws when you provide such gems
Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way around, officially Britain started the war

Germany and Japan would have been defeated without us...by Russia and the US

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Dannythechampion · 16/04/2017 23:51

Both statements are correct though.

You really are lacking intellectually aren't you?

Clutch away.

woman12345 · 16/04/2017 23:52

Yikes! you gave me a fright!
Would you like a Brew ?

woman12345 · 16/04/2017 23:53

That was to option It's camomile tea.

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optionalrationale · 16/04/2017 23:54

Danny
Today 23:37 Dannythechampion

"From Tunisia, Algeria and other North African countries, and go through Italy, you know, like they did in WW2.

Gosh your history is really poor"

My history is really poor is it? Let's check that against your knowledge of geography and logistics (and history). How do you think the Americans would have been able to launch a liberation from southern Europe without a European base and without British victories in North Africa?

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Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 00:03

Eisenhower led the invasion of Algeria and Morocco in Operation Torch and defeated the Vichy French at that stage, so they would have been able to launch it from there. The Western Task force was all American, as was most of the Central one, they were supported by British War ships, but lets be honest they would have been able to facilitate this themselves.

Furthermore, this was in answer to your point regarding where would the Americans have attacked from, if the UK wasn't in the war, the same places, with the same victories prior to them, that they did in history.

Your history is really poor, your desperation is funny.

What are you attempting to achieve through this? Except from proving that your a bit dim.

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optionalrationale · 17/04/2017 00:07

Danny
"You really are lacking intellectually aren't you?"

So we're close to where we started are we? You disagree with Remain therefore you must be stupid. Or racist.

Yet the Remain camp gets away with speculating that had Great Britain not "started" the war with Germany (as repeatedly stated by you and Rufus), the US would have come to liberate Europe directly from across the Atlantic while a presumably neutral and passive Great Britain (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India etc) looked on from the sidelines.

I thought the Remainers were supposed to be the super intelligent ones?

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optionalrationale · 17/04/2017 00:10

Danny
Your words

"your a bit dim"

My a bit dim what?

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Dannythechampion · 17/04/2017 00:11

Your grasping again, the reasons I raised the question of your intellect, and no not all leavers, was that you don't seem to get this.

Lets remember something else as well. You asked where the US would have invaded Europe from, I gave you an answer.

In a previous answer I also said that actually I felt that the Russians would have defeated the Germans, I think that the Russian presence in Europe would have compelled the US to act, along with the fac that Germany declared war on US, thus inviting the US into the European war as well as the Pacific.

For what its worth, I don't think all leavers are thick or racist, I think i sizeable number are, but hey not all.