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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  1. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  1. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  1. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  2. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  3. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  4. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  5. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.

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PattyPenguin · 17/04/2017 17:22

While we're on terminology, in English the EU uses the term "non-nationals".

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 17:23

I had a bit of trouble trying to explain to two indian lads that

The dogs bollocks or mutts nuts

was a compliment

ElisavetaFartsonira · 17/04/2017 17:31

We're still waiting for clarification on what your blood quantum needs to be in order to express concerns about hard Brexit, aren't we? I'd also like to ask about what happens if you're a pure bred, flaxen haired Anglo-Saxon (oh no, wait a mo) and you married a filthy Hun or similar.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 17:37

Apparently dhs family can be traced back to at least the time of william the conqueror

I call bollocks on that one

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 17:37

I must stop saying bollocks

Thats twice now

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 17:38

Three times Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 17/04/2017 17:40

When I was enquiring last July at the local Ordnungsamt (rules & regs office) about my right to remain in Germany, the civil servant consulted with his lawyer boss and helpfully wrote down for me that
until Brexit, I and my (non-existent) family, have unlimited right to remain because I have

"EU-Bürgerschaft" = EU citizenship

So it's very interesting that even German officialdom think EU citizenship is a real thing

TheElementsSong · 17/04/2017 17:44

if you're a pure bred, flaxen haired Anglo-Saxon (oh no, wait a mo) and you married a filthy Hun or similar.

I can't speak for the poster in question, but in this scenario I suppose I would class marriage as having gain a "relative who is from EU" and there might be unfortunate connotations of sleeping with the enemy too... You naughty naughty person Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 17/04/2017 18:13

Well, as mixed race English & Arab, at school in the 1960s the kids yelled "wog" but some teachers referred to me as "half-caste".
Not approvingly.
I felt I had done wrong, that my parents were not as respectable as others.
It's shit if kids still feel marked like that

That was when the Uk was still about 99% white and before any cuts to the welfare state and public services.
So, it was entirely racist disapproval and was not that anyone could claim they had suffered in any way from immigration.

ElisavetaFartsonira · 17/04/2017 19:31

Alas, I am not a flaxen haired Anglo Saxon and there is more than a drop of the unfortunate fenian in me. Still, at least I'm not a Frenchie like rufus DH. The shame.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 19:37

Well

First ...good point Grin

Second....i said that they could trace it back to the TIME of william the conqueror...not TO william the conqueror Smile

I dont even deluded FIL is claiming french royal blood Grin

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 19:38

Its a very anglo saxon name....

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 19:38

And its doubt not dont...doh Grin

pointythings · 17/04/2017 19:46

William the Conqueror was also known as William the Bastard though...

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 19:55

What pointy

Fil is a bastard so i might be swaying now Confused

ElisavetaFartsonira · 17/04/2017 20:03

Second....i said that they could trace it back to the TIME of william the conqueror...not TO william the conqueror smile

But can you be certain rufus? I'll be honest, I'm growing increasingly concerned about the cut of your jib. That smile looks a bit... Gallic.

PattyPenguin · 17/04/2017 20:03

And of course William the Bastard was a descendant of Rollo, an immigrant to France. That's "immigrant" as in Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song", since Rollo was a Viking, who more or less forced the King of West Francia to grant him and his people land in return for stopping behaving like Vikings.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/04/2017 20:05

Wait wait wait

Ooh actually i just got him to smile at me

I see what you mean...kind of piratical

pointythings · 17/04/2017 20:36

I'm going to claim descent from Michiel de Ruyter, who sailed up the Medway and shot the hell out of the English fleet. Eat that, Theresa...

Disclaimer: I am lying.

howabout · 17/04/2017 21:26

"Everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong. Our ancestors were Basques, not Celts. The Celts were not wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons, in fact neither had much impact on the genetic stock of these islands".

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/mythsofbritishancestry

whatwouldrondo · 17/04/2017 21:51

My racist (as in regarding the Irish like my lovely caring and ever tactful GrandmotherAngry as scum) Grandfather was a little put out when trying to find evidence of His superiority to find out he was descended from Dick Turpin and Daniel Lambert.... -Grin

howabout · 17/04/2017 21:55

A bit more on the UK productivity gap. It has not been ever thus.

moneyweek.com/why-are-we-so-unproductive

Mistigri · 17/04/2017 21:57

"Everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong. Our ancestors were Basques, not Celts. The Celts were not wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons, in fact neither had much impact on the genetic stock of these islands".

I've read a couple of Oppenheimer's books and he is a good and interesting writer, but sadly this theory now seems to be regarded as based on bad (or at least outdated) science, eg dienekes.blogspot.fr/2009/10/stephen-oppenheimers-bad-science.html

Shame as I quite like the idea of being basque. But the idea that the British population has mixed so little always seemed improbable to me.

LurkingHusband · 17/04/2017 22:23

That's "immigrant" as in Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song"

How soft your fields so green. Can whisper tales of gore.
Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords.

( On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore. )

So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins.
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing.

howabout · 17/04/2017 22:39

I think Bonnie Greer has it Misti Smile