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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

    May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

    Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  6. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

    The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  7. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

    Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  8. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  9. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  10. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  11. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  12. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

    Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

    Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.
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Motheroffourdragons · 18/04/2017 10:17

some military intervention (North Korea).

Dear me, I hope not. I hope she is resigning. I wouldn't have thought an election either.

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Motheroffourdragons · 18/04/2017 10:20
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Bolshybookworm · 18/04/2017 10:20

Maybe Hashi, can considering that's what she delivers for every statement Grin

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squoosh · 18/04/2017 10:21

'Remainers, you have just lost your last right to be heard'

Oh dear, more childish foot stamping from the Leavers.

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RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 18/04/2017 10:27

squoosh

Heard on here or heard ever?

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whatwouldrondo · 18/04/2017 10:44

If she is worried about her centre flank to the Libdems, now is not the time to call an election. There is absolutely no way that seats like the one I live in will not be lost to the centre. Feelings are running very high, not just about Brexit and the way it is being handled but also the increasing xenophobia and general mood in the country. I gather that our MP is deluged with "this is not my Britain" letters on a daily basis. They are trying the control is not reduction argument but it is falling on deaf ears in a constituency where so many understand the implications. May chose the route of division and alienation and the nervousness in her staff shows that she understands the implications.

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howabout · 18/04/2017 10:46

Morning Bigchoc thanks for commenting on the MoneyWeek article. In lots of ways I agree with you about the selective analysis but I disagree about the motivations.

The right as exemplified by your earlier BoJo ref like to bang on about the productivity gap as a stick to beat the British worker into working even harder for less in the way of pay and conditions. One of the classic examples would be the ref in the article to the unseen productivity in the service, by which they mean servant, sector.

GO also liked to bang on about lack of productivity to cover up for the damage his austerity policies were / are causing. If you have a services consumer driven economy and you continually squeeze the earnings of said consumers then the output of the service providers measured as the price they can charge will inevitably fall. If you also squeeze the benefit system to put more people to work at the same time as benefiting from working population growth through migration you exacerbate the effect. Hairdressers where I live now charge about £10 less a haircut than they did 10 years ago. They don't cut hair any less well but fewer people can afford them and there are more of them. Their GDP per head, pardon the pun, has nevertheless gone down.

The German economy is an entirely different model because it is selling things rather than services at a World determined market price and as it is export led it is not dependent on the income of the home consumer.

Comparing manufacturing sectors would be fairer. Here the UK is still behind, I believe, and I accept that there are issues with investment and management (evidence of under investment and labour "hoarding" post 2008) . However, this is a comparatively small segment of the UK economy and for better or worse post Thatcher is not where the UK has sought to invest for comparative advantage.

My scepticism with Germany stems from remembering the 80s when everyone was lauding the Japanese export driven productivity revolution. The subsequent collapse was diagnosed as massive over investment giving illusory gains in the form of an asset bubble. The future population profile for Germany has similarities with Japan as does the balance of trade but I don't really know enough about German spending and saving habits to get beyond raising an eyebrow at the characterisation of the UK worker as an indolent slacker who likes sitting at work staring into space 12 hours a day.

I prefer to think of myself as sitting with my feet up restructuring international financing and making everyone else's capital work harder while the German car makers work out how to replace all the diesel cars they sold me with new and improved clean ones.

The fact that UK productivity is described as a "puzzle" rather than a problem with a clear diagnosis surely highlights that none of the learned articles actually make sense. I suspect this is because the Left like to use it to berate the incompetent managers just as much as the Right like to berate the lazy workers.

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RedToothBrush · 18/04/2017 10:49

Something about Turkey?

Or a GE.

Or the Queen has died.

Wish she was resigning but it won't be.

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RedToothBrush · 18/04/2017 10:50

Second thoughts, it seems odd to announce a GE now though with locals in May. It's too close now. Isn't it???!!

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HashiAsLarry · 18/04/2017 10:52

She can't announce a GE can she because of the FTPA. Surely she could only announce the intention to have seek approval for one.

I've seen some speculation re Prince Phillip but surely the palace would announce that.

Maybe she's going for an Erdogan style referendum.

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lalalonglegs · 18/04/2017 10:56

Am intrigued... and terrified. Every time I think Brexit can't get any worse, it does. Still, only 20 minutes to wait for the latest sack of shit to be dropped on us Hmm.

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SapphireStrange · 18/04/2017 10:57

She can't announce a GE can she because of the FTPA. Surely she could only announce the intention to have seek approval for one.

She might be announcing that.

I've a horrible feeling she is.

Either that or she's resigning, which would be ostensibly on health grounds but really because she has finally realised what a godawful mess Brexit is and she CBA any more.

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lalalonglegs · 18/04/2017 10:58

Laura Kuenssberg ✔ @bbclaurak**
Hearing May will announce General Election for June 8th - one source not confirmed
10:55 AM - 18 Apr 2017

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CopperRose · 18/04/2017 11:02

Hopefully a GE.

Would like to see her get a good majority so that the bleating re 'she has no mandate' is done away with.
She's also been thoroughly hamstrung on domestic policy by the Cameron/Osborne manifesto promises, so not just Brexit related.

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Mistigri · 18/04/2017 11:03

Another delay to the start of brexit negotiations if so. Can anything substantive be done before the German elections now? We may end up with less than a year to complete the most complex single negotiation task that a UK govt has ever attempted.

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HashiAsLarry · 18/04/2017 11:06

New GE on 8th June

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HashiAsLarry · 18/04/2017 11:07

Some blurb about initial need for consistency after Brexit vote having been achieved.

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HashiAsLarry · 18/04/2017 11:08

Its all Labour and Lib Dems and the SNPs fault because they wont conform

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7Days · 18/04/2017 11:09

A Brexit. Are you really sure? Election

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CopperRose · 18/04/2017 11:09

Good news.

Happy with that 😊

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officerhinrika · 18/04/2017 11:12

Good grief she is campaigning already.

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HashiAsLarry · 18/04/2017 11:12

"to show you do not treat politics as a game"
The person who put the three stoodges in post Hmm

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whatwouldrondo · 18/04/2017 11:14

I'm pleased too, and looking forward to hitting the streets to make a difference.....

Though I fear six weeks of shouting at the television.....

Shame it will doubtless be a rout for Labour under Corbyn but maybe that needs to happen too

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lalalonglegs · 18/04/2017 11:14

"The country is coming together behind Brexit Hmm but those pesky Opposition MPs are refusing to unite" (paraphrase but words to that effect). I genuinely feel sick at the prospect, my one crumb of comfort is that possibly we get to boot our turncoat Tory MP out and it is being done before the boundary changes. That's two crumbs (mustn't be greedy in Brexitopia).

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lalalonglegs · 18/04/2017 11:15

Nearly everything she said turned my stomach.

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