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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

    May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

    Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  6. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

    The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  7. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

    Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  8. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  9. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  10. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  11. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  12. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

    Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

    Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.
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RedToothBrush · 07/04/2017 09:54

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/twitter-us-government-lawsuit-sue-unmask-donald-trump-critic-alt-uscis-immigration-travel-ban-a7671656.html
Twitter sues US Government for trying to unmask account criticising Donald Trump's immigration policy

This is an interesting lawsuit.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Syrian missile strike creates wedge between Team Trump and Team Farage. In amongst challenges this morning, No10 likely to be happy w/that

Important point (and good reason why UK extremely unlikely to get involved in Syria atm)

Tom Watson has jumped in supporting the strikes before official Labour spokesperson on subject Emily Thornberry gets round to it (statement on the way from her apparently).

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Peregrina · 07/04/2017 09:56

What Farage and Nuttall actually saying something sensible for once! Wonder if there is anything left of Paddy Ashdown's hat to eat?

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whatwouldrondo · 07/04/2017 10:06

Another vote for Peregrina to apply to be in the audience.

Thanks RTB

Trump is meeting Xi at the moment, is that grovelling I detect?

Much amusement in the academic /foody communities I am part of that Trump was apparently proposing to serve Xi his favourite dish, his mother's meat loaf and mash. Cue speculation on what Xi could serve up to Trump on the return trip Deer penis is the front runner for all sorts of reasons....

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SapphireStrange · 07/04/2017 10:18

Thanks, Red, for the new thread. A depressing yet accurate summary.

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SwedishEdith · 07/04/2017 10:43

Yes, yes to Peregrina being in the audience.

I'm not sure the air strikes say anything about Trump's relationship with Putin. Wouldn't be surprised if done deliberately in an attempt to deflect from that suggestion. But, it's more likely that Trump's an unpredictable, unstable bully, desperate to get stuck in to violence on an international scale.

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missmoon · 07/04/2017 11:10

Peregrina Yes, please, apply to be in the audience! We can all help you think of a brilliant question Smile

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missmoon · 07/04/2017 11:11

"Wouldn't be surprised if done deliberately in an attempt to deflect from that suggestion"

I thought this too. It's not too costly, and he can then point to it and say that he isn't close to Putin after all. Apparently the Russians got lots of warning in advance of the strike.

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Cailleach1 · 07/04/2017 11:56

Gove and Rabb, eh! Where is the will of the people in that?

Math, I was just thinking the same about the relocation of that agency. The heads of states will make the decision. For all his faults, this is where you'd need an Albert Reynolds who is good with networking. Hope Enda puts his all forward. There will be many other countries vying for it. The HPRA (IMB, as was) would get a boost. As would the economy. All the hotel beds for all those committee's. Never mind all the office space needed for companies wanting an EU presence and all the knock on services. The Japanese gov't had mentioned it in their letter to the UK (many of their pharma companies may be decamping with the EMA). It would be for a population of nigh on 460 million people post Brexit.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2017/04/what-happens-when-european-medicines-agency-leaves-uk

How amazing how this was never mentioned in the UK press as the asset it is for the UK, even during the referendum.

It is a worry for people in the UK who have rare diseases (or children with them) that they won't be able to access trials. You need a large population for trials for some of these diseases because they are so rare. So part of 510 million at the moment as opposed to the 65 million after. I would say I hope the UK gov't are on this, if I had any faith in them.

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unicornsIlovethem · 07/04/2017 12:09

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/steve-bannon-jared-kushner-at-war-cuck-globalist-donald-trump-team-son-in-law-war-a7671391.html

It looks as though those Trump wheels are even looser - first airstrikes, and then Steve Bannon called Jared Kushner "a cuck"

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lalalonglegs · 07/04/2017 12:26

Slightly off topic but a damning report (by Margaret Hodge) into the funding of the Garden Bridge has been released and, as if more evidence were needed, the whole thing smacks of cronyism. BoJo is particularly culpable:

Johnson, the main political champion for the project, was repeatedly criticised by Hodge, who said he was “ultimately responsible for all the decisions and actions taken on the garden bridge”.

Despite several requests, Hodge said the foreign secretary refused to assist her with the inquiry, except to write that he remained “a fervent believer” in the project.

"... [A spokesman for Mayor Khan said] “The report also raises some specific concerns around how the previous mayor influenced Transport for London practice on this project in areas such as procurement.” Hmm

The only good news is that it looks as if it is unlikely to go ahead - most Londoners I know, myself included, were just cringing at the excess of this vanity project while museums and libraries are being closed in other parts of the country. Almost £40 million of public pissed into the Thames Angry.

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woman12345 · 07/04/2017 12:39

Peregrina - you should apply to be a member of the audience.
Please go and wear your hat!

I know Elmhurst in Aylesbury, it's not a fabulously rich area of town, and lib dems must be pleased with that one. EDL and all sorts of malarkey in Aylesbury of late, and lots and lots and lots of immigrants.
In the last 30 years I've seen the waves of Italians in the 1950s, the Pakistanis, and of late Eastern Europeans. It's had some great Italian and Pakistani mayors, too.

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woman12345 · 07/04/2017 12:42

As in, I had neighbours in the 1980s, who had come to Aylesbury from very hungry and poor post war southern Italy in the 1950s. Gorgeous neighbours, in fact.

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Bolshybookworm · 07/04/2017 12:55

Recent editorial on the impact of Brexit on cancer treatment and research, which links in with the departure of EMA:
ecancer.org/journal/editorial/63-the-potential-consequences-for-cancer-care-and-cancer-research-of-brexit.php

As I have said before, Brexit is an act of wanton vandalism in terms of medical research and is likely to have long lasting and damaging effects. I like to think the government are plugged into the issues around this, especially the need to harmonise regulations in clinical research with the rest of Europe. I'm not holding my breath, however Sad

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/04/2017 12:59

Thanks for another thread, rtb

I think Trump governs via Twitter.
He makes decisions based on audience popularity ratings, just like he did in his TV shows
He hates being criticised

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WrongTrouser · 07/04/2017 13:20

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thecatfromjapan · 07/04/2017 13:23

I'm getting promoted tweets on my Twitter timeline from Goldmann Sachs warning about the impact of Hard Brexit.

Obviously, that's a dogwhistle for all the "The EU is part of a Lizard Conspiracy" folk Grin but I'm wondering a. How many other people are getting this and b. Why? Is it because they can't exert pressure through normal, informal lobbying channels and are therefore going public?

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unicornsIlovethem · 07/04/2017 14:25

This is cheery at any rate!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-suns-only-blow-the-bloody-senors-off-front-page_uk_58e7472fe4b00de14102131b

The Sun has caused Twitter fun with its headline about Michael Caine and Brexit...

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RedToothBrush · 07/04/2017 14:34

The Lizard People are not advertising on my feed. Obviously I don't need targeting. Perhaps I am a lizard person then?! Confused

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/guinness-exposes-debate-over-a-hard-border-with-ireland-after-brexit
Trouble Is Brewing for Guinness After Brexit
Almost every bottle and can crosses the U.K.’s only land border with the EU and reveals a logistical nightmare ahead.

Re: Trump deflection tactic. I thought that. Trump's surprise attack was well advertised to both Russia and Assad. BUT I also think that when it comes to war, Trump is just mad and just likes the idea of it as he likes to swing his dick about to mark his authority.

His meatloaf sounds almost as appealing as deer penis.

Trump kicked Bannon off the security council cos he didn't like the idea the media is portraying of President Bannon. Bannon attended the meeting anyway. So Bannon still has approval of Trump, Trump just doesn't like the headlines. All the business between Jared Kushner and Bannon smells of the same stuff: PR.

Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB
I'm told that polling tests whereby LAB is described as "Corbyn's Labour" increases the Tory lead by 5%

Guess the election strategy for the LDs and Cons next three years if Corbyn doesn't go.

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Bolshybookworm · 07/04/2017 14:48

That Sun headline is hilarious 😂

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LurkingHusband · 07/04/2017 15:36

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Badders123 · 07/04/2017 16:29

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/04/2017 18:34

Trump has either rediscovered religion, or Shock is shamelessly using it to increase his ratings:

During a hammy tearjerk announcement of bombing Syria targetted strike:

“No child of God should ever suffer such horror.”
“God’s wisdom as we face the challenge of our very troubled world”.
and the obligatory
"Goodnight and God bless America"

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/07/trumps-dinner-of-steak-and-carrots-then-the-cruise-missiles-struck-syria

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Peregrina · 07/04/2017 18:36

Maybe Xi should serve roast dog up to Trump - a play on the idea of the running dogs of Capitalism.

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woman12345 · 07/04/2017 18:45

Trump is to twitter as FDR was to radio. Except FDR was thoughtful and had survived a strong illness. It gave him the empathy Trump is trying to learn (or is he?).

May should watch her step:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/07/forget-global-britain-hug-germany-close

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lalalonglegs · 07/04/2017 18:55

I imagine that Donald Trump is one of those classic sociopaths who practises crying in front of the mirror so he can pretend to be empathetic but has no real idea what emotion it is that he is trying to copy.

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