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Article 50 has been triggered (finally!).
Now we move onwards to the future 🍻

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surfer now I'm all conflicted again. I'm a proper Leftie JC supporter but the rest of his party won't let him Lexit and I'm not convinced on Kezia's credentials or her Indy resistance. That leaves me putting my cross in the Big Struth box - that is what is happening in Scotland.

SNP result in Scotland is much worse than it looks. They stood 56 candidates in Glasgow against 43 Labour and 23(?) Conservatives. Then in 3/4 seat wards they ran a strategy of SNP 1 and 2 and Green 3. That should have given them a majority without the Greens by crowding Labour out - it didn't. PR has made for some interesting outcomes.

My eyes flicked to the headlines and i read

surfer found after 32 hours

I was

I didnt even knew she was missing!! Then i realised

I'm a leaver and I like Jezza. And while I agree with many of his values and proposals, I don't think he has the skills to be a party leader let alone a leader of the nation. Not so keen on the company he keeps though and I do fear that there will be a split and he will be left with them while those of a more Blairite (spits) ken will go.

Haha Rufus. - I'm sure quite a few would be happy if I disappeared

howabout. I'll let you into a secret.
I'm actually a lefty at heart. Very liberal live & let live attitude, believe in equality for all, gay rights, trade unions, all the usual.
But - I felt Labour were starting to ignore their core vote - the white working class - so I defected to UKIP. Labour didn't seem to represent me anymore, if I had concerns about immigration I was called a racist bigot, plus I couldn't stand Tony Blair- so I went with someone who understood me. & that was UKIP.
See it's not just Tories who started voting for Nigel Farage, it was Labour voters too, 1000's of them. Ordinary, average, working class people. I also wanted out of the EU. Plus I found Farage quite charismatic - when he spoke I had to listen.
Where I go from here I don't know - I just want Brexit to be a success for everyone.
But I do like Corbyn, he is a man of principle.

I'm a socialist leftie too surfer 😀👍🏻
I like Corbyn, but he has been a disaster as leader...a few reasons I think...momentum are a bunch of cunts and they pull his strings. Hugely disorganised office...no one seems to know that they are doing...compare that to the lib dems! Now, they can run a campaign!
In many ways it's a sad reflection of our society that a man of principle like Corbyn is unelectable.
I remember labour being slaughtered under Michael foot and was a far better parliamentarian than JC!
I'm left with no one to vote for. I have never spoiled a ballot and yet...that may happen this time 😞
I shall gloss over your praise of farage and I know many many labour voters feel as you do, but I don't. UKIP are a racist party run by a bunch of incompetents.
So, who do I vote for!?
I live in a Tory stronghold, ageing population, no immigration to speak of (I know! The irony, right!!?)
No idea who is even standing yet but the current Tory MP is a bloated twat who has never darkened the doors of my town.
The labour candidate has not been chosen yet but if he/she is a brexiter they don't get my vote
So....lib dem, right? Nope. They are fielding a bloody brexiter! The only party currently running a pro EU campaign!

I'm a simple soul, surfer. I really am. But I'm just bloody baffled by what's happening in my country ATM.
Leaving the EU will be a diasaster of epic proportions. A whole generation sold down the river (Inc my kids)
Farage et al will slope off into the EU sunset (as he as said he would)
And those of us left?
I've sent off for Irish passport applications for me and dc.
But that doesn't help me (and the many like me) on June 8th.

I got a bit panicked to be fair surfer

Badders123
Loved reading your post. Believe it or not I'm really interested in hearing your views.
It's a very uncertain time for sure. Hopefully we will pull together as a country and help each other as best we can.
I'm always hopeful - even when I'm missing for 32 hours.

....you sound over your ordeal!

I am interested in any party that;
Helps ensure a soft brexit and protects current EU UK residents rights
Has the difficult discussion about nhs funding
Has the difficult discussion about getting rid if the triple lock on pensions
Stops the cuts to education. My sons school will lose 4 teachers next year due to these cuts

Any party that is willing to do the above gets my vote.

Thanks for your reply Figment. I am very interested in your comments on democracy. I am reading Road to Somewhere and in it Goodhart says "When pushed, populists place democracy before liberalism and liberals when pushed place rights and reason before democracy"

I think what you are saying, perhaps, fits with this. Tbh I am having trouble getting my head around it, and I think it is a key difference in views which the referendum has highlighted.

Badders......for you.

Party founded by Keir Hardie ‘infiltrated by socialists

A BRITISH political party, founded over 100 years ago by socialists has been ‘infiltrated by socialists’, it has been claimed

The Labour Party, started in 1900 by self-confessed socialist Keir Hardie, has seen a ‘suspiciously large influx’ of people who believe a lot of the same things as he did

A senior Labour official said: “These people are clearly very interested in politics, but for some reason they haven’t joined the Conservative Party. It would appear they are really into redistribution of wealth, nationalisation and the welfare state. It’s all very sinister

( courtesy of the daily mash )

😂

It's got to be labour. Sigh. But I shall be holding my nose whilst I vote.
What a mess.

Thinking of printing this off and sticking it in my window!

My Dh, ds1 (13) and I all did the "whoshouldivotefor" quiz online.

We all came out as labour - Inc Dh is true blue Tory! He was most discombobulated.

ooops...here it is!

twitter.com/davidschneider/status/861223049689018368

Love that Badders! Sums up my take on it too! (Although where I live is a safe SNP seat, with an MP I really like and I am very conflicted about how to vote.)

Just heard TM first to congratulate Macron - presumably she was hoping for a Marine Le Pen win. He's not going to be making things easy for her.

Haha. Like that. 😀

It would be nice to think Brits were prepared to vote against anti-immigration, small nation mentality even if the alternative is not exactly to their taste.

Lillian...some interesting tactical plays coming into force in some constituencies I'm pleased to see. Parties standing down to decrease the chances of a Tory getting in.
I get unhappy Labour voters switching to ukip...esp in areas like the NE....but then these same voters abandoning ukip and voting Tory? In Scotland and the NE!!!!????
Blows my mind! 🎆
My only cause for hope is the pollsters have got it so wrong lately that they will again!
Oh! And vive la france!! 🍸

I heard an excellent analogy with regard to the French election directed at people who were considering abstaining (as indeed 25 percent did today) which said choosing neither is not an option - you will get one or the other. Imagine you are being offered a meal on a plane and the choice is chicken or a steaming pile of shit. Are you going to ask how the chicken is cooked? Sometimes you just have to choose the least worst option.

Saw this...

Saw this on the WM thread - v funny

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gpSIzx0Ta0Y

That video is hilarious, but Corbyn's head on Chris Hemworth's body has given me some, um, confused feelings.

Lol squishy - I bet you dream of him tonight....