who will be the Nexit?

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France? will there even be an Eu in 5 years?

I hope that the EU doesn't collapse, and that our departure wont weaken them too much.

I hope that for the sake of people in the EU, and for selfish reasons because even post Brexit we will need a strong EU.
We will always be economically tied to our nearest neighbours, a collapsing EU would be disastrous for us.
I find the glee that some (not all!) leavers express at the prospect of an EU demise incredibly mean spirited and nasty.
You got what you wanted. We're leaving. Why do you want to fuck things up for everyone else as well?

I think you should tone down. Miss your rant about your workers that lovely other ing etc and general level of rage

No thin skin here. Completely agree that at the moment we are seen as a racist bigoted country. Tis your skin that is thin over this. Either because you are insulted that we are or insulted that an non brit has said we are

we're all Waaaaacists

Why write it like that? Do you say elf'n'safety as well?

Don't think all Leavers are racist for one minute. But I do find the gleeful desire to see the collapse of a union that should it happen would cause untold suffering to the ordinary man on the street across a continent (including the U.K. because remember we are going to be trading on all these amazing new terms with said continent so will not be remotely removed from it) an aggressive and mean spirited stance to take that can only stem from hatred and prejudice. Otherwise why give a shit?

Anecdote here but just been to the salon this morning and was chatting to the girls there who immediately pounced on me to quiz me re what the fuck us Brits were up to re Brexit and had a long resulting conversation re their perception that the Brits seem to see themselves as separate and superior and always have, their belief that that the EU is a mess and needs change and Italy doesn't get the best deal out of it and then when I asked can you ever see Italy leaving they all laughed and said- as if - where the hell would we go and why would we do something that would blatantly worsen the situation here massively. Not rich, not privileged, just ordinary girls at work who see their country struggling, have a degree of resentment to the EU and do not for one minute see the solution as being to follow the plucky Brits lead. Which is inline with everything I have ever watched, heard or read on the same subject here in Italy. Think you gleeful lot waiting for the collapse of Europe should just concentrate on making Britain great again and stop talking about things you have no fucking clue about. You've won your football match, you have had your Leicester moment - maybe look at what has happened to them this year and start working towards ensuring the same doesn't happen to the UK rather than living off the memory of a narrow victory.

Banana well said!

They do have a fucking superiorit complex. The only good thing that might come of this is that we have been punching above our weight for years. We will be brought down a peg or ten. Guess who will take that the hardest

misspriggy thank you for so beautifully illustrating with your post exactly what I was trying to express in mine _

Nice little attempt at deflection, after you're accusations... Neither of my questions answered though!

BTW have I been swearing, calling people from another country, or anyone else on this forum "obnoxious, racist", or "arrogant" etc? Yet....I'm the "angry" one? OK

Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit there Bananagio? One minute you Don't think all Leavers are racist, the next - the decision to leave stems from hatred and prejudice. Which one is it?

I wouldn't say "gleeful" is appropriate, not in my case. But it's true I am happy we're out. Believe it or not I started out as a remain voter, but the longer it went on, I became convinced that voting out was the best thing to do. My reasons for voting out were far more than transient economics. Whether Id be better off or not. But there were fundamental principles at stake. The things I've pointed out already. The things I've always loved about Britain and what attracted my parents here decades ago and the reason I feel so proud to belong here. If the laws and regulations that you have to live by are being made by people who don't have to seek a mandate from you every few years, then you live in a dictatorship and Britain's never really had an extremist gov't, or a fascist dictatorship. Despite the wars, upheavals and turmoils that have been going on in the outside world, including in other European nations. Except for during the 11 years of the Interregnum I suppose. Its my theory that's what makes so many of us in this country uneasy about being ruled by people we didn't elect and cant remove. If by saying those things that makes me an ignorant, racist pleb in some peoples eyes - so be it..
Because we all know that pro Brexit people don't write posts they "Rant". They don't speak with enthusiasm they're "Angry". They can't be happy the ref' went the way they voted, they "Gloat"! Some do and are, no doubt. but Brexit voters are a varied lot who voted the way they did for diverse reasons.

I dont think I have or 'my side' has been victorious. I believe we all have and future generations will be happy that we voted leave. I dont have a Crystal ball whoever it was who asked me for predictions? I dont know how its going to go, I just happy we have the right to make the laws that suit us and benefit us and if not we can vote for someone who we believe will.

Most of Europe thinks Brexit is fucking stupid.(Google translate is pretty good if you'd like to try reading some EU papers)

They realise the EU has its issues and is not perfect, but very few are daft enough to think life would be better alone.

"I hope the French leave and the EU collapses. The EU's horribly dictatorial, un democratic and incompetent."

Aww, cute, bless. Reminds me of my moody teenager before he learned to articulate bis feelings more eloquently.

I find the glee that some (not all!) leavers express at the prospect of an EU demise incredibly mean spirited and nasty.You got what you wanted. We're leaving. Why do you want to fuck things up for everyone else as well?
I expect they're hoping for this as it will be a distraction from the economic and social shitstorm that Brexit is going to unleash here. If they actually believed that Brexit was going to be unlimited unicorns on green pastures, they wouldn't be so invested in wanting the EU to fail. But, if we're going down, it wouldn't do for the EU to carry on regardless. Misery loves company and all that. For people who supposedly won (what exactly, we still don't know), Brexiters sure do manifest a lot of spite and malice. Why aren't they happy with their victory and freedom?

Well isn't this a nice thread

Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit there Bananagio? One minute you Don't think all Leavers are racist, the next - the decision to leave stems from hatred and prejudice. Which one is it?

Errr how about you read what I said instead of mispresenting it??

I said I don't think all Leave voters are racist. Which I don't. I do however think that those Leave voters who want the EU to now collapse come from a position of hate and prejudice. Which I do. At no point do I say all Leave voters are gleefully waiting for this to happen. Because I don't. I actually think those who think like this are in a small minority thankfully. Because I don't think most Leave voters are vindictive racists.

Clear enough? Just incase its not I was referring to the gleeful desire for collapse possessed by some not Leave posters as a collective group.

Should say above "At no point do I say all Leave voters are gleefully waiting for this to happen. Because I don't think this."
Must learn to preview when angry!

Ah so not all, but most of those you dont agree with? That's alright then!!

Perhaps your moody teenager has a counter arguement Cretancuisine?

Geez misspriggy you're hard work!

I said I think the people who are gleefully awaiting the collapse of the EU are a small minority of Leave voters. And I am working on the basis that if people don't expressly show through their words that they are gleefully waiting for this then I assume they are not part of that small minority. I would say that the majority of Leave posters I have read posts by over the last 9 months do not fall into that small minority. As they have not expressed a desire for this to happen I am not about to assume they have a larger agenda behind their vote outside what happens to the U.K. And to be honest it wouldnt even enter my head that most people would think like that so this would never be my default assumption.

Is that now clearer?

Wouldn't like to speak for Bananagio, but my own opinion is that not all leavers are racist. Worrying about immigration is not racist. The leave voters who say racist things are probably racist, the leave voters who say racist things while worrying about immigration are probably racist, and that wishing ill on other countries probably stems from a position of prejudice and nastiness.
hth.

Feel free to speak for me squishy as that is exactly what I think as well .

I'm only wishing ill on any other individual European country, why on Earth would I? I adore Europe. I only hope for the asap collapse of the European Union as an entity. A crony-capitalist, undemocratic, bureaucratic and self-serving entity.

Hope that helps?

Ooops, I meant I' am not wishing ill on any other European country etc...

misspriggy You are so deeply and vastly misguided it beggars belief.

The most painful thing is that due to the economic downfall we can expect now for the UK, it will be simply the most vulnerable who will suffer, suffer, suffer. The number of children below the poverty line will increase many fold and along with this child abuse lack of adequate food and malnutrition, substance abuse in families and without sufficient (if any) funds to tackle these social problems.

Hej, they don't call the NSATY party without reason. To bad that so many people fall for this sort of thing.

My heart goes out to the children and disabled who will suffer disproportionately under Brexit. For many of us it will just be a reduction in quality of life and with that a change in lifestyle.

For too many people though it will become a matter of life or death (death of NHS) or lifelong trauma of goring up in poverty.

We have already today too many families living in terrible poverty in our beautiful country, due to the recession and austerity but also due to fucking mismanagement of public services. So very sad. People saying they don't care about economics are simply ignorant. the socio-economic level of people hugey determines their wellbeing happiness and health.

But go on misspriggy with your silly soundbites and lack of empathy.

A crony-capitalist, undemocratic, bureaucratic and self-serving entity.

In the space of 24 hrs on MN 2 leave supporters have called te EU Capitalist and Communist

OhtoblazeswithElvira The EU is a work of the Devil himself didn't you know? The EU is Purgatory according to some .

Doesn't really help am sorry misspriggy unless you can explain how calling for the asap collapse of the EU would not result in hardship across Europe, the continent which you adore and wish no ill will to. It's one thing one country leaving. If the union of the remaining 27 collapsed why would you envisage the result being anything other than a disaster for the continent? It's not like a bloody tennis club you stop paying subs to!

And elvira. That must be in the same way that Remain voters are all self- serving ultra capitalists only concerned with their riches at the same time as being smug middle class liberals worried about tarquin's Erasmus experience (isn't that the name usually used to show contempt for such types? ) as well as being rabid lefties who hate Britain. Have I missed anything?

I think you missed 'snowflakes who melt at the slightest criticism' banana which seems weird to me when it's the winners (as they keep reminding everyone) who are so upset.

Ah but that's 'Crony Capitalist'. Big difference [Grin]

Its interesting that Britain's communists, Trotskyists and trades unionists campaigned for Leave vote as did the the left's only daily, the Morning Star. The working class did overwhelmingly. As did many people on the right/far right and some racists doubtlessly did feel emboldened by it too. But its simplistic to say they're all this, or it was the forces of that wot did it!!

Naturally opposing the EU means I have no feelings, empathy or regard for anyone suffering due to gov' cut backs. I get that. But It's interesting you mention austerity Cretancuisine, I'm part Greek, have many relatives and friends there. Sadly I've seen the ravages of EU imposed austerity at first hand and if you think we have it bad here (which some do, no question) you ought to see how it is for them! The staggering levels of suffering, poverty, unemployment and deprivation are just that, staggering. All due to Brussels imposed austerity...So how flipping well dare you say I've no sympathy that I dont care? I paid for my niece to come here to stay with us last year, she has to cycle almost 20 miles a day as her school closed down. Yes, her local school closed its doors due to under funding. Several of her school friends parents have committed suicide due to desperation and she ate meat at my place for the first time in nearly a year. So you know what you can do with your 'I've no empathy for people suffering' whine dont you?

The EU's fiscal austerity, neoliberal reforms and foolish expansionary monetary policies have failed spectacularly. They've massacred Spain, Greece, Portugal, Ita;y etc all nations with spectacularly high unemployment rates. Does anyone really think that if the EU was a fair and progressive cause then it would not have been supported by all the forces of capitalism the political class, the globalists and their media mouthpieces. Or by David Cameron, Osborne, Tony Blair, Madleslime et al

I'm a European and proud of it. I love Europe and its peoples. But I detest the EU for the above reasons.