So the good times are about to roll....are they?

[herethereandeverywhere]

I wanted to ask on another thread, but they are all bunfight-y.

I am a remainer so I feel very depressed about today. I would like some reassurance from brexiters about what I have to look forwards to.

I'm afraid 'taking back control' isn't clear enough to me, so an explanation of what will be different if that's the theme you will go for.

So far, since the vote, my family has lost £10,000s and my husband's current job/role has been placed in jeopardy. I have probably lost the ability to automatically continue to work in an EU country in under 2 years time (I currently live in Germany, though this was intended to be temporary). I have dear friends relocating out of London since the banks are shifting jobs due to Brexit so I'm not sure who I would be moving back to. My house is worth less and I'm less likely to be able to sell it if I do want to move. I'll need to get the kids Irish passports if I want them to benefit from the EU.

So cheer me up - we're set for a brighter future aren't we? What can I look forwards to?

I have been asking since the referendum was mooted for one single benefit to leaving and for all the leavers on this site, not one of them could offer anything. There were whole threads set up to ask the question in a genuine, non-loaded way: why will we be better off out? There was nothing, nothing at all. I remember one Leave voter who proudly proclaimed that she was 'walking on air' a week after the vote but actually didn't have any reason to put forward as to why her children's lives would be in any way improved by leaving the EU. The financial catastrophe set to rain down upon us all is a deeply sobering, frightening prospect.

The shred of optimism I've found today, OP, is that the EU want to put on the table the offer of granting us individual citizenship. So at least we can hold onto some of our rights and so will our children. That's what I'm holding out for, though obviously hoping negotiations crash and burn and we backtrack on this whole stupid idea once and for all!

Though every time I cheer up a little, I then remember that Brexit will cost billions upon billions of pounds and destroy the economy which will give the Tories the opportunity to finally get rid of the NHS altogether, which is the worst part of Brexit and particularly poignant given the shameless lies told by the Leave campaign about protecting the NHS. So that sucks as well.

I had a listen to a Radio 5 phone-in on Brexit. One listener thought we could have more investment in the North-East (which the EU had apparently been stopping), another that the pension age for women could go back to 60 and another that VAT on fuel bills could be lifted.

The lady representing the Brexit side cheerfully admitted that none of the above would change and that immigration wouldn't be much lower either.

There really is an almighty disillusionment coming.

You'll find the answer to OP's question in any of the leave fb pages. I've had a look and most of the leave supporters are happy that UK will be sovereign again, make its own laws, own decisions, agreements and deals. That seems to be the main thing. How true that is remains to be seen. I don't think UK will be able to dictate everything when negotiating so there will always be outside influence to some degree. I hope it will be OK in the end but have no faith in tories.

The problem with Corcory's argument is that our government has been bringing in more and more crippling legislation that is costing small businesses huge sums of money entirely independently of the EU. They seem to be positively trying to discourage small businesses! Thatcher, never my favourite person, at least brought in policies that encouraged small business, making the burden lighter rather than heavier she was also not stupid enough to think we would be better off out of the EU.

Iam - even the government's own white paper admitted that we weren't any less sovereign!

The trouble with all this "making our own laws, decisions, agreements and deals" malarkey, is that the people we want to do these deals and make these agreements with also want to do so under their own terms. They will not simply roll over and give us whatever we demand. Why so many Leavers seem unable to grasp this simple fact is entirely beyond me.

So, OP asks a question directed to leavers and remainers, asking for positive things about Brexit.
Hardly any leavers answer.
Some remainers answer.
Leaver eventually pops up to berate remainers for creating an echo chamber, and for preventing leavers from "sticking their head above the parapet" simply by being on the thread themselves.

I now know who will be blamed for everything once the EU is no longer a scapegoat.... remainers!

Squishy it is well known that Brexit is a Brilliant and Well Thought Out Plan, but sadly has the Achilles' heel of being vulnerable to failure ONLY through derogatory comments being made about it on the internet. Remoaners, y'know. We're all that's wrong with this country! (Well, us and the immigrants over here, staffing our hospitals and picking our fruit and all that kind of selfish behaviour...)

Corcory

Regardless of how I voted I am perfectly happy to be cheered by hearing all about the Brexit 'winners' and how they will benefit - please re-read my OP. Genuinely. And no-one has told me. Surely the Brexiters can shut off the echo chamber by presenting the facts about the future? Just copy and paste if it's been said elsewhere and I missed it. I struggled to get through all the bunfights (both sides responsible) in search of facts.

You have offered: their running and reporting of their business... as a benefit, now that is quite vague.

Most Companies House related filings are the same now as they were in the 1985 Companies Act (save you can now file online which is easier). Whilst the 2000 Act did bring in some elements of law derived from European directive, very little in the way of new filings was brought in (I can't think of any but I'm happy to be corrected).

All tax legislation, which has ballooned since the late 90s (more than doubled in volume if you just look at the handbooks of legislation) is virtually all derived from UK, not EU law (there is a small bit about tax equalisation within the EU but nothing that would affect small businesses or their filings).

What have I not thought of? Is it things like doing a health and safety assessment? (UK HSE might have some views on that).

Captain - yes, I was slightly alarmed about MPs walking out of a committee in relation to a report which was 'too pessimistic'.

This isn't Jackanory guys, it's real life! I don't want pessimism or optimism. I want REALISM and no-one from the Brexit side seems to be able to offer it, but I'd LOVE to be proved wrong, right here on this thread!

I found the official Brexit advert I was thinking of earlier, a split screen of in the EU and outside the EU.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlGN8wVnis

Look at that practically empty hospital with happy joking patients. Something to look forward to!

It's nationalism isn't it.
I hate nationalism. It does amuse me though when Nicola Sturgeon slags off about the unknown of brexit when it could be turned around and the same said about Scottish independence
Scottish nationalism, English nationalismsame crap different countries

The Telegraph is well placed to answer this. And they have - they've named the EU rules they would like to see the back of:

Working time directive
Bendy bananas
Green energy
Protection for the great crested newt
Incandescent light bulbs
Vacuum cleaners

I wish I was joking.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/27/cut-eu-red-tape-choking-britain-brexit-set-country-free-shackles/amp/

The three people who still subscribe to the telegraph would end up being very disappointed if great crested newt protection ends. They'd no longer be able to drop a few mail order newts on a planning application site. Their house prices will plummet!

They want to see the back of the Working Time Directive?

Who wants to work more hours but is prevented from doing so?

I suspect it's bosses who want people other than themselves to work more hours who will be pleased.

I don't think those were the newts they are thinking of, unicorns. It would be the ones on the plot of land they've invested in, far away from their house...

Quite, noble. Bob Cratchit might be keen on the working time directive, but Ebenezer can't wait to be rid of it.

See? See? I said about light bulbs and vacuum cleaners up thread!

^^

Urgh. Just bought a jar of Marmite for £3.09.

You'll find the answer to OP's question in any of the leave fb pages

Have you also seen all the awful racism on those pages? Lots of posts about clearing all Muslims out of Britain with hundreds and hundreds of likes. I looked just after the Westminster attacks last week.

On a positive note (for some) maybe they'll bring back the Black and White Minstrel Show.

The Leave.EU Facebook page makes for depressing reading. The gloating is bad enough but some of them are actually using education as an insult. If anyone criticises Brexit they're saying "Oh, I bet you've got a degree, haven't you".

How have we reached the point where being educated is a bad thing? The pages are crawling with the "University of Life and School of Hard Knocks" types. They're like a parody of themselves, but apparently we're the ridiculous ones?

Apparently, doctors are begging to be able to work more hours than is allowed by the wtd. That's according to the telegraph, rather than actual doctors.

Although the working time directive was always more flexible than some people pretended it was - the regulations allowed for relaxation of the limits when appropriate, and when certain conditions were met.
The regulations do make it harder for companies to legally force workers to work excessively long hours though without adequate rest though.

For some reason, the leave facebook pages keep popping up on my "suggested pages", as do Britain First and some weird Alt-Right ones. I assume it's targeted in some way, in which case they really need to adjust their algorithms because they're barking up the wrong tree.

I have twice signed a get out from the WTD- it's common in academia.

The whole of the offshore sector has an extension of the working time directive, because 48 hour weeks would not really work with the shift patterns.