So the good times are about to roll....are they?

[herethereandeverywhere]

I wanted to ask on another thread, but they are all bunfight-y.

I am a remainer so I feel very depressed about today. I would like some reassurance from brexiters about what I have to look forwards to.

I'm afraid 'taking back control' isn't clear enough to me, so an explanation of what will be different if that's the theme you will go for.

So far, since the vote, my family has lost £10,000s and my husband's current job/role has been placed in jeopardy. I have probably lost the ability to automatically continue to work in an EU country in under 2 years time (I currently live in Germany, though this was intended to be temporary). I have dear friends relocating out of London since the banks are shifting jobs due to Brexit so I'm not sure who I would be moving back to. My house is worth less and I'm less likely to be able to sell it if I do want to move. I'll need to get the kids Irish passports if I want them to benefit from the EU.

So cheer me up - we're set for a brighter future aren't we? What can I look forwards to?

Laurie the WTD rather neatly illustrates the issue with relying on EU regulations for workers' rights. Fine on paper but full of holes except for anyone who actually wants to do the right thing. Same with "self-employment" and zero hours contracts.

In my experience, no other European country abuses or gets round these kinds of directives to the extent that the UK does. Blaming the EU is ridiculous.

So what is the leavers' position on WTD exactly? That it creates too favourable conditions for workers at the expense of employers? Or that it hasn't been enforced strictly enough?

I'm confused.

No idea what the "Leaver" position is on this Laurie but I beg to differ with your analysis. One of the reasons the UK is the destination of choice for migrant workers is that conditions and pay are better here. In eg Germany the restrictive structures which protect the permanent workforce very effectively lock out new migrants. IKEA was in the news the other week for abusing the posted workers directive by employing Czech lorry drivers to work in Sweden while paying them Czech wages.

So, just to clarify howabout, your problem with the WTD is that it's too easy to get around it? Is that correct?

I never said I had a problem with the WTD

Another huge reason the UK is populargely for migrants is that english is taught as a foreign language in so many countries

Howabout, you just used the WTD as an example of the problem with EU regulations

No kaija I used the WTD as an example of where a reliance on EU regulations gives an impression of rights far greater than those actually conferred.

Still think the fact that arch brexiteers are suggesting getting rid of things like the WTD, and many other workers rights suggests that the EU conferred very good things on us, far more than the Tories are going to leave in future.

When one group of Brexiters can't wait to get rid of all that burdensome EU regulation, including the WTD (see the Telegraph's list of things they can't wait to see the back of) and another (the "Lexiters") think the issue is that EU regulations are too easy to wriggle out of, it's pretty clear that the EU is not the problem here.

Totally agree Kaija.

When in discussions on the EU its both characterised as Marxist ( The EUSSR) and wildly neo liberal, the problem isn't with the EU, but how people percieve it, through the prism of their own prejudices, not facts.

That also goes for it being undemocratic, yet unable to do anything without the need of all of the member states permission.

Also the word "behemoth" thrown around about an organisation that employ about the same number of people as Derbyshire County Council.

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