Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

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i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

It's not all bad then

Well honestly for me personally probably not no. We have a certain amount of financial security and the means to additional passports. However I like and love my fellow country people. And I worry for them and my country

Same here, but I tend to accept that the majority did vote for what they thought was in their best interest and I tend to believe most people are the best judge of their own interests.

Howabout and if you had voted to leave but the vote was remain would you hand on heart say the same....really

So how was the US under Obama ever going to manage a trade deal with the EU, given its penchant for capital punishment?

The UK has refused to extradite people to the US if they faced the death penalty, or indeed treatment counter to the ECHR.

And an EU-US trade deal would need to comply with the US constitution and the ECHR. Generally trade deals don't mandate the death penalty (well not yet) so it wasn't really a good point to try and argue on. However, what trade deals can - and do - mandate is that workers conditions must adhere to decent standards. So if the UK wants a trade deal with the EU, it will need to guarantee certain labour standards - or have no trade deal.

I tend to believe most people are the best judge of their own interests

The hospital beds creaking under diabetic, obese, alcoholic smoking-ruined patients would probably contradict you. If they had the strength to speak.

And an EU-US trade deal would need to comply with the US constitution and the ECHR. Generally trade deals don't mandate the death penalty (well not yet) so it wasn't really a good point to try and argue on

Teehee

Yes I would Poorboy.

It wasn't me who raised the death penalty which we all seem to agree is irrelevant to the debate.

Wiki's list of EU trade deals currently in force. Wonder how they enforce their workers rights directives in eg Algeria

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements

I tend to accept that the majority did vote for what they thought was in their best interest

I tend to disagree. What, for example, about the people who used their vote to give the government a bloody nose regardless of the fact that Brexit will inevitably hurt the economy and therefore jobs and benefits? What about the elderly who voted Leave despite many being reliant on EU workers to provide their health/social care?

I tend to accept that the majority did vote for what they thought was in their best interest
This is shown quite often as not being the case especially in GEs when people will often vote against their own interests because the rosette is more important.

Also it is very difficult to understand why people would vote to make their weekly shopping more expensive....I am pretty sure one of the points made before the vote was that there would be an effect on sterling. We import a lot of the food we eat and will have to continue this post brexit, that can't be in anybody's interests.

Because people didn't believe "project fear", remember ?

If you tell somebody there are 100,000,000 billion stars in the galaxy, they will - more likely than not - believe you.

If you tell someone a park bench has just been painted, they will - more likely than not - touch it to check.

I am not usually the SpaG police mother, but Lloyd's was my second home for a long time and remembering the apostrophe is one way to avoid confusing the World's largest insurance market with a UK retail bank.

"The reason why there is such n increase in racism is because it has always been there. A bit hidden out of sight but there nevertheless."

Unfortunately I think that's the case. I was most upset by the amount of racism that came out during and after the referendum. I have since realised that I was naive as I had thought better of the majority of my fellow countrymen. It's a bit of a thump to come back down to earth like that and realise that the British people are no better than anyone else.

It's a bit of a thump to come back down to earth like that and realise that the British people are no better than anyone else.

And yet the citizens of English towns where US soldiers were billeted during WW2 refused to accede to US Army directives that black soldiers were not to be served with white soldiers ... (or so I heard on QI) ....

That's the kind of thing that made me think we were more tolerant than most. since the referendum it certainly doesn't seem that way.

The irony is we are probably one of the more ethnically diverse countries in Europe ... Ancient Britons, Celts, Romans (bearing in mind the Roman empire bought in people from Syria and Africa who settled here), Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Vikings, Normans (aka vikings ), Picts.

And those are from memory - the list is probably twice as long ... and that's only up to 1066.

Ah there has always been racism. However what I find the most difficult is all races against each other. Openly. It's the openess which has pocked it's shitty head back into everyday life. Worse is that all sides are emboldened and there's no clear freaking side. It's all rather complex

Leavers, please tell me this isn't so:

Early April Fools article?!?!

I love bringing back smoking in pubs. Was that the weatherspoon voters?

These are standard UKIP policies. Kaija It is true.
Time to start deporting illegal anglo saxon immigrants to our Celtic shores. They just don't fit in with our way of life.