The Brexit Arms A50 Celebration Thread

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Like a farmer with tescos

It surprises me that they are being so antagonistic regarding trade deals when surely we buy far more from the EU that we export? It seems that everywhere I look there are German cars? We are a service based economy so won't these trade deals predominantly disadvantage the countries within the EU?

Are you serious sleepy?

The answers to these questions have been abundantly clear all along.

Why you are 'surprised' now?

Bear

The but but but....posts are cheering me up no end

Thanks squishy that's helpful. I just wonder how much of Germany's economy relies on us buying their goods? It seems to me that they have to make an example of us and yet whether they will end up cutting off their nose to spite their face and all of our economies will end up obliterated.

Sorry bear I know I'm playing catch up. The baby is asleep and I'm trying to keep abreast of stuff. Apologies.

Well your making the point exactly. The EU have said and are still saying we can't cherry pick, and yet that's exactly what they are doing re the security situation.

No we can't tell them to reform. We've been trying that for years with no result. Many in Europe think there is a need to reform but are being ignored too. It's at the peril of the whole union if they continue with this blind alley.

Of course we have power. If not we wouldn't have been in the union in the first place as a net contributor.

No personal thoughts on TM apart than she's been given a job to do and she's getting on with it.

We are the junior player in this negotiation. Buts and whys and whines will not work

May is an embarrassment. Power hungry anti unionist embarrassment

May is fine and I think we are lucky to have her. Power hungry my arse.

Explain Mays actions and treatment of Scotland and NI

Look up Camerons views of May and how she power played her position.

Power hungry. Yes. Appease. Yes

No.

I find your posts incredibly negative and irritating.

Squishy Since when has the EU, or rather the Commission, not been autocratic?

I think TM is doing a great job and I say that as a JC supporter.

I am fed up of the SNP trying to exclude me from Westminster. TM is the one standing up for 1 million Scots who voted Brexit and the 2 million who voted to No to Independence.

Security should not be involved in negotiations about trade. It should be taken off the table - it's too important to mess around with.

SleepFreeZone: I know that feeling!
From here:
44% of our exports, and 55% of our imports come from the EU.
Germany has the biggest trade deficit with us - ie, the biggest difference between how much we import and much we export.
Depending on how you calculate it, at least 8% of EU exports, at most 17% go to the UK.
fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

I think about 8% of all German goods exports go the UK, but I can't find the source for that at the moment.

So yes, trade barriers would hurt Germany's economy, but not as much as it would hurt us.
Imagine (hypothetically because it would never be this simple) that trade barriers caused trade between us to half: Britain would lose 22% of its exports, Germany would lose 4%

Take negative. Replace with realistic

Take irritating and replace with you don't agree with someone else's opinion. As is your right

Meanwhile let the back tracking begin

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-latest-theresa-may-freedom-of-movement-after-leave-eu-a7657111.html

Well JC wants out. He is the reason I have left the party but I really don't think even he would think May is doing well....oh actually that would mean he had a thought

Two inept leaders of two broken parties that have been taken over by the lunatic fringes hurrah!

May is an embarrassment. Power hungry anti unionist embarrassment

And yet, it is only in the more hardcore Remain contingents that this appears to be the perception of TM.

I've been struck over the past weeks just how well she is thought of, and how well she has been judged to have appeared by a vast cross section of talking heads.

The overwhelming message (apart from on MN EU threads) is that she is pitching everything just right.

scary, they draft the legislation (often at the request of the council and parliament) but the laws have to pass through the council and parliament.
That's not Autocracy!

'Poorboy' I don't think we are the junior player by any means. The loss for the EU of a net contributor, who has a permanent seat at the UN Security Council, is a nuclear power, a major European defence player, one of the Five Eyes, and a NATO nation is huge. What message does it send the rest of the world about the state of the EU when the UK votes out?

I think the arrogance and superiority of the Commission, CofM, and the EU Institutions that they could carry on as they were without listening to the calls for reform, and keep us in, is breathtakingly. Even the Pope told them to sort themselves out in Rome last week.

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/autocratic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

The union anyone? Are we just England and Wales centric?

There was a fantastic play on radio 4 about a future dystopian world where Greater Britain is just England and Wales. And those who don't follow the rules end up trying to escape to ireland as refugees. I'll try and find it

Scary. We like the lies we tell ourselves. It seems the rest of the world is laughing at us. Not the EU

The EP is a rubberstamp operation Squishy. Dh was sent to the EU as a Seconded National Expert. By the time the 3 year secondment was up he was very relieved, as the entire organisation was dysfunctional, achieved nothing, and in the words of a friend who was an ambassador to the PSC from one of the Baltic nations, the whole thing was like herding cats.

I had no problem with the concept of a common market or a loose grouping of trading states. I fail to see the need for an overarching, expensive and profligate bureaucracy that wants to have taxation powers, its own defences, it's own Foreign Service (EEAS) and a body of legislation that overrides national parliaments and takes more power to itself via the Acquis. As Barroso said, the EU has ' the dimension of empire'.

'It seems the rest of the world is laughing at us.'

No they're not!

No-one I talk to in Brussels is laughing at us Poorboy

Squishy QED...1.1 fits the Commission (and Juncker) exactly.